Masonic Symbols?

Why are so many famous people like the founding fathers masons? If freemasonry is evil how did they end up writing such a progressive constitution?

 

Not neccessarily. He's seems to have convient answers to some of my questions like how is it that the dollar bill was designed by masons when only one person,Ben Franklin,was the only mason involved and his ideas were rejected. He explained that away by saying that we can never really know how many people were really involved with the design,never know who was and wasn't a mason because of lies and decpetions etc. Then he accuses the masons of always covering up their tracks by planting false info etc. Those types of things are too easy to say in my opinion.

And I still have to wonder how he and others know so much about the masons when they aren't members.

 

It's all part of empire building and can be seen throughout history. America was created to do what it's doing today as a powerhouse for bringing in a one world government, which is referred to by Masons as "America's secret destiny." A book by the same title was written by 33 Degree Freemason Manly P. Hall, which goes into this using esoteric language. America was created with the purpose of ushering in the New World Order (seen as Novus Ordo Seclorum under the pyramid on the dollar bill). America is the "New World," hence the "New World Order."

This is alluded to in writings by Francis Bacon, the Rosicrucian who wrote The New Atlantis, which is based on Plato's Atlantis. America was created as that "New Atlantis" to bring about a new utopia on earth.

The founders of this country knew that once America outlived its purpose as a vehicle for world empire, standardizing the world and bringing so-called "democracy" to countries abroad, it would be no longer needed and would collapse under its own incurred debt, merged into the new system which we now see coming about.

 

But mr. Rat, as you say in post #23, the "overwhelming majority" of masons are in the dark and just do the so-called front work of charitible stuff,etc. If the majority of the things an organization does is good, then wouldn't that make it basically good, despite what a small fraction of evil it does? I am curious, what horrible acts have masons actually done?

 

Unfortunately we live in a world where the powerful few at the top make the decisions that affect us all, often not for the better. The lower-level masons are simply used as dupes to give the organization a palatable image and have no clue what goes on at the highest levels. While many of these lower-level masons are decent, well-meaning people, this doesn't make the organization to which they belong decent as well. People can join the military in a non-combat role which seems to be an honorable thing to many people, yet they are still serving a corrupt system that depends on their service to do what they do. Masons are (most often unknowingly) serving a corrupt system, because Freemasonry depends on these lower level Masons to keep the organization going. Albert Pike himself said you must have "willing fools" who don't know they're fools.

If you are curious to know the "horrible acts" Masons have committed, just look at the system you live under (we all live under), which is run by Freemasonry. It is a masonic system. Just look at the wars and atrocities that have happened all throughout history as part of a hidden agenda which is behind Freemasonry -- the centralization and consolidation of power which is leading us to a one-world totalitarian government.

 

This may be a matter of how things are being worded. This person doesn't deny Masonic use of the eye and pyramid but explains it differently.


" What are these Masonic symbols? The representation of an eye and an unfinished pyramid. The All-Seeing Eye of Deity is certainly mentioned in Freemasonry, but that concept dates back to the Bible, at least. An unfinished pyramid symbolizes that the work of nation building is not completed, but the pyramid is not a particularly Masonic symbol; any unfinished building would have done..."

web.mit.edu

 

Freemasonry is interesting, the ideals it portrays are ideals I support. However, as you say these are not same ideals the higher ups of the organization support.

Nevertheless, even thought the surface ideals are good, I don't like the hierarchy of it.

 

“European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United states of America. Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American Eagle. ... the American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalised phoenix ...”

“Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for A PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the intiated few.”

--Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, pp. XC and XCI

 

"PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the intiated few.”


and....???? don't leave us hanging!!

 

I went into it briefly in some of the previous posts.

 

Okay. I am just interested in reading more, educate myself about all things. Not content with what I know.

 

Excuse me? easy to say? I see very little relevance in that statement in regards to de-bunking 'rats' argument as it's obvious that all his statements are just as easy (if not easier) to deny. So if that statement does have any relevance in regards to determining truth, by such logic, you, yourself are a much less credible source.

It is also worth consideration that at times truth can be a more convieniant explanation then a lie. Consider how easy it is for me to say that '2+2=4'.

And just for the record, what exactly is your personal preferance for the dollar bill not being masonic?

 

Xac,


Other than Ben Franklin,who's ideas were rejected,what other Masons were involved with the designs that were put on the dollar bill? That is one of the main points of those who disagree with the dollar bill's designs having been designed by Masons.

As far as whether or not the eye and pyramid or eye within the pyramid is Masonic? This seems to be a little more about the wording or focus of the different masonic sites I've read. Yes,there are masons like the man in my original post who says the eye and pyramid aren't masonic,but it could be that he ment or should have said that they are used by masons but they aren't exclusivley Masonic or that they didn't become associated with masonry until after 1797. Eye symbols it was said have been used outside of Freemasonry. So the use of the eye on the dollar bill doesn't neccessarily have to be a masonic use of it. After all it was put on there by a non-mason,Pierre Du Simitiere.

 

Again, all masonic symbolism is technically pre-masonic as it dates back to the mystery religions of Babylon. The fact is, the esoteric religion behind Freemasonry predates ALL the major religions, and it's from this ESOTERIC religion that all the other EXOTERIC religions were created. This is why, if you go to the Vatican, you see it's filled with masonic, babylonian sun symbolism (which was around long before Christianity came to be). In reality, Freemasonry (rather, the esoteric religion behind it) is as old as documented history ("civilization") itself. All religions have an exoteric and an esoteric. Throughout history the "unenlightened" masses have been given an exoteric religion, while the select few at the top (the elite) practiced the esoteric known only to them. It is this esoteric religion that is the basis of ALL the religions, which is Freemasonry, though it wasn't called that until the 1700s. It went under various different names prior to this but has always been around. The exoteric and esoteric exist within the ranks of Freemasonry as well, because the initiates at the bottom are given exoteric interpretations for occult symbolism that has esoteric meaning at the top.

Much like you say masonic symbols are not masonic, the same could be said about Chrisitian symbols (Christian and Masonic symbolism is one and the same), which predate Christianity. ALL the religions derive from the same source, which is why if you study the different religions (which are really the same religion at the top), you see it's all the same story, only with different names and interpretations. It all traces back to the ancient sun religions, and is rooted in sun worship and astrology. Is it any coincidence the day people go to church is on SUNday?

 

"The Blue Degrees (the first three degrees of Masonry) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their True explication is reserved for the Adepts (those who have advanced to the highest degrees in Masonry) . . . It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain (and any past Mason who has learned the truth, knows the almost complete futility in trying to enlighten his fellow Mason as to truth. For they have been so completely indoctrinated they will not listen, nor examine the evidence presented to them) . . . " -- Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819

 

Those such as yourself? im not entirely sure why you directed this post at me, seeing as i only asked you one question which you have not answered.

relating to the 'main point of those who disagree with the dollar bill's desgn having been designed by Masons' Pressed_Rat has already responded with a reasonable and logical explanation, that not all who were masons claimed to be. We are talking about a world wide secret organisation here.

 

I thought Bush ran this country and he is not a mason.
Mason have never started a war, members may have been involved but so have other people and organizations.
We our not tring to consolidate world power that would be capitolist.
Pressed_Rat you keep mentioning Albert Pike but he did not start masonry and is not a sokes person for us.

 

Bush is a Skull and Bone society member....


Here's a quote for you
“...the All-Seeing Eye, ...to the Egyptian initiates was the emblem of Osiris, the Creator.”

“... His [Osiris] power was symbolized by an Eye over a Sceptre. The Sun was termed by the Greeks the Eye of Jupiter, and the Eye of the World; and his is the All-Seeing Eye in our Lodges.”


Compliments of Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, pp. 15-16; 472

And ofcourse lets not forget to look at the words on Roosevelt Memorial... "They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers... call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order."

 

Dude why is any of this anyones business but a freemasons business? You people who rant on about freemasonry are just pissed because you arent important enough to be asked to join and will never know the truth. You can clearly be seen drooling over the desire to know what really goes on at freemasons meetings. Well tough shit !

People who deny that the freemasons would put their symbolism on the dollar bill are alone ignoring one fact. That if you are saying this then you too are not privvy to the goings on inside freemasonry, you are too in the dark about freemasonry to know one way or the other too.

<0> keep em peeled !

 

What is up? What is down? where is the line? If there is all this discrediting going down, how do you ever sift through any of it? With more common knowledge of the free masons circulating around, are they even that secret of an organization? What do they do other than be a brotherhood together?