Masonic Symbols?

Discussion in 'Conspiracy' started by Motion, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    For those of you who have heard that the U.S dollar bill has Masonic symbols here's some opposing information.




    The Eye in the Pyramid



    By: S. Brent Morris, P.M.


    In, at times, a strongly worded article Dr. S. Morris, a member and Past Master of Patmos Lodge #70, Ellicott City, Maryland, has "set the record straight" on the myth that the Great Seal of the United States represents a Masonic symbol. The facts are clearly presented, together with several examples of the use of the "All Seeing Eye" prior to any known Masonic use. This straightforward article is being presented as a STB so that Freemasons may have an answer when the question is asked "Is the Seal of the United States a Masonic symbol?"

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    HISTORIANS must be cautious about many well-known "facts." George Washington chopped down a cherry tree when a boy and confessed the deed to his father. Abner Doubleday invented the game of baseball. Freemasons inserted some of their emblems (chief among them the eye in the pyramid) into the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States. These historical "facts" are widely popular, commonly accepted, and equally false.

    The eye in the pyramid (emblazoned on the dollar bill, no less) is often cited as "evidence" that sinister conspiracies abound which will impose a "New World Order" on an unsuspecting populace. Depending on whom you hear it from, the Masons are planning the takeover themselves, or are working in concert with European bankers, or are leading (or perhaps being led by) the Illuminati (whoever they are). The notion of a world-wide Masonic conspiracy would be laughable, if it weren't being repeated with such earnest gullibility by conspiracists like Pat Robertson.

    Sadly, Masons are sometimes counted among the gullible who repeat the tall tale of the eye in the pyramid, often with a touch of pride. They may be guilty of nothing worse than innocently puffing the importance of their fraternity (as well as themselves), but they're guilty nonetheless. The time has come to state the truth plainly and simply!

    The Great Seal of the United States is not a Masonic emblem, nor does it contain hidden Masonic symbols.

    The details are there for anyone to check, who's willing to rely on historical fact, rather than hysterical fiction.

    *Benjamin Franklin was the only Mason on the first design committee, and his suggestions had no Masonic content.

    *None of the final designers of the seal were Masons.

    *The interpretation of the eye on the seal is subtly different from the interpretation used by Masons.

    *The eye in the pyramid is not nor has it ever been a Masonic symbol...



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  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    This is so ridiculous in its blatant lies and deception, it's barely worth responding to. It's not a surprise it was written by a mason.... hardly unbiased.

    If the all-seeing eye, which dates back to ancient times, representing the eye of Osiris, isn't masonic (which it totally is), why is it so prevalent in Freemasonry? It can be clearly seen on masonic lodges all around the world. Keep in mind ALL masonic symbolism dates back to the ancient mystery religions of Sumer and Babylon. Freemasonry is itself an ancient religion at the highest levels. Freemasons will argue that because Freemasonry didn't officially begin until the 1700s, its symbolism isn't masonic but rather pre-masonic. Using this flawed logic, you could say that there are NO masonic symbols since they all derive from the same origin and time period. Masonry is in fact based on the ancient mystery religions which are, and have always been Freemasonry under various different names. There are secret societies that have predated Freemasonry, for instance, Rosicrucianism, but it's always been the same esoteric, cabalistic symbolism behind it all.

    Here is a masonic apron featuring several masonic symbols: the square, the compass, the twin pillars of Solomon's temple (Jachin and Boaz), the sun and moon (symbolizing duality), and yes, above it all, the all-seeing eye.

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    And again in the Grand Lodge:

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  3. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    Are there photos of the All-seeing eye inside of a pyramid being used as Masonic symbolism before the 1730's in any of their art work?

    Isn't it true that Ben Franklin was the only Mason involved with the design of the dollar bill and that his input wasn't the dominate input?

    But then again a Mason would be more credible on Masons?
     
  4. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    The all-seeing eye and pyramid in the Great Seal are Masonic, right?

    No. The unfinished pyramid in the Great Seal of the United States is actually the design of a non-Mason. Only one Mason worked on the Great Seal. The all-seeing eye, symbolic to many as the Supreme Creator, has
    been used by Masons, but it is not a universally-accepted Masonic symbol. Many have used the all-seeing eye in their art, and few of them are Masons.

    The pyramid has been linked to the triangle, which is symbolic in many Masonic Lodges. But a pyramid is not a triangle. There is no Masonically symbolic import to the pyramid.

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    Motion Senior Member

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    Some examples of how the use of an All Seeing Eye is not exclusive to Freemasonry.

    Pinkerton Security

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    Fraternal Order Of Police

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  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Yeah, those organizations are FREEMASONIC organizations, which is why they use the all-seeing eye. The "FRATERNAL ORDER" of Police is an openly MASONIC organization. (Also note the masonic handshake next to the all-seeing eye in the FOP logo.) Many policemen join the masons when they become cops. Lots of corporations use masonic symbolism because they are run and owned by masons. I can list at least a dozen corporations off the top of my head that use masonic symbolism in their corporate logos. This symbolism is all around us, in corporate logos and on city halls, and most people don't even have a clue what it means.

    And please, stop providing links to masonic lodges. I will not look at anything from a masonic lodge. I have read enough of their propaganda in the past as I have been studying this for years. It's all the same tired rhetoric. Even a lot of the so-called "conspiracy books" that are put out are written by masons. There is no better way to cover your tracks than to put out disinformation to lead people in circles, discrediting anyone who dare seek the truth. There is TONS of disinformation out there about Freemasonry, most of which is put out by masons themselves.

    As far as the origins of the all-seeing eye, again, this is an ANCIENT SUN SYMBOL that has been used by secret societies dating all the way back to the ancient world. It was used by the secret soceties that gave birth to what we know today as Freemasonry. Yes, it was used by secret esoteric societies prior to the 1700s. Whether it's the Rosicrucians or the Freemasons, it doesn't matter because they're all one and the same.
     
  7. BodyElectric

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    *walks into the thread with a trowel, some mud and a flat of bricks and carefully constructs a nice solid wall*

    Here you go boys! Don't get too bloody as you beat your head against it. Ain't nobody gonna change anyone's mind in this thread - no matter what 'proof' or 'facts' are presented by either side.
     
  8. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    To clarify the authors point. It was more that he's saying that the eye inside a pyramid like on the dollar bill wasn't a Masonic symbol.


    From the article:

    " A pyramid, whether incomplete or finished, however, has never been a Masonic symbol. It has no generally accepted symbolic meaning, except perhaps permanence or mystery. The combining of the eye of providence overlooking an unfinished pyramid is a uniquely American, not Masonic, icon, and must be interpreted as its designers intended. It has no Masonic context. "

    Are there examples of Masons using this exact pyramid image in their art?

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  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Really?

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  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    More....

    Directly from the Supreme Council itself -- READ:

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    This picture was taken at the headquarters of Freemasonry in Queensland, Australia:
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  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Many people don't know that the Great Seal wasn't added to the dollar bill until 1935 by President and 32 degree Freemason Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who, strangely enough, has a memorial that reads what you will see in the below picture:

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  12. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    Lets's get back to the designers of the U.S dollar bill. Other than Ben Franklin what other mason was involved with the design of the dollar bill? The author pointed out that the majority of those involved with the dollar's designs weren't even Masons. It's known that Thomas Jefferson wasn't a Mason.


    I still think a Masonic view should be represented some here.


    " Neither the eye nor the pyramid have ever been uniquely masonic symbols, although a few Grand Lodge jurisdictions incorporate them into their seals. The combining of the eye of providence overlooking an unfinished pyramid is a uniquely American, not masonic, icon. There are no available records showing the all-seeing eye, with or without a pyramid, associated with freemasonry prior to 1797 and none at all related to the Bavarian Illuminati. "

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  13. BodyElectric

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    Hey! Someone noticed the brickwall and walked around it. Kudos!

    A swastika isn't only a symbol of Nazi's but modern contest now makes it that way to most of the world. It matters little what other groups have used it or where it came from (eye of ra/horus or anthing thereafter) it has been established as masonic symbol in the collective unconcious of the current times and with good reason. And I've never met a mason (till now) that's ever really agrued against that.
     
  14. Motion

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    Nalencer2,

    Other than Ben Franklin what other mason was involved with the dollar bill's designs?


    Was Pierre Du Simitiere a mason?

    " Du Simitiere, the committee's consultant and a non-Mason, contributed several major design features that made their way into the ultimate design of the seal: 'the shield, E Pluribus Unum, MDCCLXXVI, and the eye of providence in a triangle."[2] The eye of providence on the seal thus can be traced, not to the Masons, but to a non-Mason consultant to the committee. "


     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Ben Franklin was the only CONFIRMED Mason involved. There is much evidence to suggest that Thomas Jefferson was a Freemason. The majority of the founding fathers were Masons, and many others embraced masonic ideals. Jefferson certainly embraced the masonic philosophy, as did the majority of so-called "non-Masons" in government at the time. Most of the original records have been destroyed, and the Library of Congress is reluctant to release copies of their documents, so it's hard to say exactly who was a Mason and who wasn't a Mason, except for the ones who were openly Masons (ie. Ben Franklin).

    We still don't even know for certain the exact number of people involved in the design of the Great Seal, let alone who was definitely a Mason or definitely not a Mason. History is riddled with lies and deception. Like Orwell said, those who control the past, control the present -- hence "history."

    The fact remains, which you are continually weasling your way around, is that the Great Seal of the United States is riddled with overt masonic symbolism, as was clearly admitted by the Supreme Council 33. For whatever reason you chose to ignore this, which was taken directly from one of their official publications.

    Arguing over who was a Mason and who wasn't a Mason is a diversion, when the symbolism on the dollar bill is clearly masonic and openly admitted to be masonic by Freemasons themselves.
     
  16. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    Then lets only call those people masons who were known to actually be masons like Ben Franklin and not the other men involved with the designs on the dollar bill. I've heard other people familiar with Thomas Jefferson point out that he wasn't a mason. If Jefferson was a mason then it shouldn't be too difficult to find this out about him since it's known about so many other founding fathers who were masons.



    It's easy to just say that about history being riddled with lies in relation to this.



    Maybe it could be that the people mentioned being involved with the Great Seal were actually the only ones involved with it's design? If the records are there on them and their involvement then there should be no reason to "hide" whoever else was involved with the Great Seal.





    Could you direct me to that document on either one of these sites?

    http://www.scottishrite.org/ee.php?

    http://www.supremecouncil.org/
     
  17. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I have shown you numerous pictures of masonic symbolism featuring the all-seeing eye within the pyramid (which you and the author of the article you posted falsely claimed aren't masonic), as well as produced a photocopied page from the official Scottish Rite publication, the New Age, which is published BY Masons, FOR Masons. The websites for the Scottish Rite and Supreme Council are loaded with propaganda directed primarily at NON-MASONS looking for "information" (ie. bullshit) about the organization, or looking to join Freemasonry. They don't want the public knowing the the truth about their organization, especially its influence in government, which is why they put people out to write articles filled with lies, denying things which are masonic as not being masonic. Freemasonry uses lower level Masons who are "in the dark" to build up a charitable front that cannot be criticised, and this is the image presented to the public. It's not a surprise that Albert Pike stated that those of the Blue Degrees of Freemasonry (the first three degrees of Freemasonry) are no different than the "profane" (which is the term the high level Masons use when referring to what they see as the ignorant masses).
     
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    What is so bad about freemasonry?
     
  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Again, there is a difference between what the public is sold (ie. propaganda and lies) and what Freemasonry truly is at the highest levels (an esoteric religion). Freemasonry at the public level sells itself as being this wonderful, benevolent fraternal organization based on charity, brotherhood, and the betterment of oneself. This serves as the perfect cover because, after all, if people knew what it was really all about about, they wouldn't stand for it. They wouldn't stand for their elected officials, judges, lawyers, lawmakers, husbands and fathers to be members of this organization if they knew what it was really about, nor would they be able to get away with the things the ones at the top do. The overwhelming majority of people who join Freemasonry remain in the dark, never making it beyond the first three degrees. They are merely dupes. Those who display certain qualities (intellect, ruthlessness, etc.), who hold positions of power in government and/or business, move up quickly through the ranks and are let on to much higher knowledge that those below them are not allowed to know. The average joe is never even remotely let on to the truth about the organization to which he belongs, rather is mislead with exoteric meanings for occult symbolism and ritual for which at the highest levels comprise an esoteric religion which runs the world, which is behind all the wars, debt, poverty and needless suffering in this world. They are working towards their goal, which they call THE GREAT WORK, which entails the enslavement of humanity for a new utopia on earth, where the population of the world will be drastically reduced and the few remaining will serve as servants for the so-called "dominant minority," as Aldous Huxley referred to them.
     
  20. Xac

    Xac Visitor

    This is stupid, motion clearly rat has you beat. leave it alone.
     

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