A Defence for A. Hitler

Well, so much for your journalistic ability to show that there was a holocaust. Just as every jew or Gentile I have ever debated on this subject has done, you have chosen to ignore the message and instead attack the messenger. If this continues we will get no where in this debate - or rather it will be all one sided with me alone posting my side. I am not going to defend myself against any names you call me as I feel that to be a waste for all concerned.

As for the document from the Red Cross, you might down load it and make it smaller maybe that will help. But thats not really necessary as in a moment I will post some revised numbers from the Red Cross. Secondly, if the people in the picture I provided at happy at being liberated then why are they clean and well cared for? Why do they look healthy? Also, near the end of the war the allies bombed the guts out of Europe and the prisoners as well as the Germans suffered starvation because of it, as all the supply routes were destroyed. And naturally, the Nazis being an efficient lot, why did they keep the prisoners clean and healthy to murder them? The majority of the holocaust, (alleged), "victims" of which you see pictures, died of starvation, typhus and other diseases.

"Official Holocaust Figures Reduced
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Immediately after World War II, Allied authorities declared that "Jews had been gassed" in all German concentration camps. It later discovered that the many bodies photographed in the camps died during the waning days of the war - from typhus, cold and starvation. Simon Wiesenthal, of the "Holocaust Center" in Los Angeles, stated in Books and Bookmen, April 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The Jew L.P. Beria headed the Soviet NKVD secret police from 1938 to 1953. In 1945, he announced that they had discovered a "holocaust" of six million Jews. This conveniently occurred only in camps in Poland! Beria would not allow any outside investigators to examine these sites. The Jewish-owned New York Times reported in 1945 that Soviet Russia supplied the figure of four million Jews having been put to death, "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." However, in July of 1990, the Polish government reduced this figure to 1.1 million and it was accepted by Jewish groups. Despite this evidence, the "official figure" of six million dead was not lowered to three million!

(It should also be noted that Elizabeth Dole, president of the American Red Cross, and wife of former Sen. Bob Dole, revealed that the official death records from Auschwitz had been uncovered in the Soviet Archives. It listed 70,000 deaths from all causes.)"

And it is true, if Hitler were tried in a court of unbiased, impartiality, he would NOT be convicted of ANY war crimes involving a "holocaust".
The Germans are noted for being meticulous record keepers. There was no attempt made to destroy wartime records, 1,100 tons of which were seized in the U.S. Zone of occupation alone. British Historian, Colin Cross, writes in his biography of Hitler, on page 313: "There does not exist then, anything like a written order signed by Hitler for the extermination of the Jews in Europe."

The German Foreign Ministry on January 25, 1939 issued a document on the solution to the Jewish problem which stated: "The end policy in regard to the Jews is the emigration of all Jews living in the territory of the Old Reich."

In Auschwitz Notebooks, we read that all of the top German leadership supported this plan. "On November 12, 1938, Goring had mentioned the question of [relocating jews to] Madagascar. Himmler himself had dreamed of that since 1934, a witness assures us. After the armistice of June 1940 (surrender of France), the idea was propounded by the Foreign Ministry and approved by Himmler as well as by Hitler himself."

For these reasons SS official Reinhard Heydrich organized the Central Office for Jewish Emigration on February 11, 1939. Once the war began, this was no longer possible. Thus Hitler ordered the internment of Jews as enemy aliens and deported them to the east. On January 27, 1942, Hitler said: "The Jews must leave Europe. The best thing is that they go to Russia."

I hate responding to personal attacks as it detracts from the the good of the argument. I am against "admitting that the holocaust happened" because I have NEVER found any evidence that supports it, (and apparently neither have you as you have failed to post any). However, I have found much that supports the opposite. I am not against the holohoax because I am a "nazi" ( which is rediculous since I am a capitalist and not a socialist), as you assert, but because there is no conclusive evidence that the holohoax ever happened.
"..a fear of the Holocaust and don't want to discuss it." I think that you are wrong here as I do want to discuss the holohoax. I am totally against history being written based on lies.
Sadly you are failing everyone here who agrees with you about the holocaust lie. They look to you, a historian and a journalist, to provide the answer to the age old question of the "holocaust". As a self-professed journalist, surely you can give more proof than, 'there are pictures' - I showed one that opposes yours; 'wish my grandparents would post'; you're a Nazi, etceterra. I have sat a very nice table before you, please, either partake of it or bring something to it.

 

As much as Hitler was an evil man, he's also a smart man. He helped create the Autobahn and the Volkswagon (The highway and the car for the people). Also why this man was crazy is that he and 75% of his officers were strung out on Meth.

 

Are you a crackhead? Hey everybody, twoseeeyes is a crackhead!

See how stupid that sounded? About as stupid as your post. If you are going to make accusations, bring evidence that they are not your own dillusional thoughts.

 

"Death Of Hitler" by By Ada Petrova and Peter Watson
There my source, now read it you little ignorant fool before you make personal attacks.

It was known that in his last days Hitler was in amphetimine psychosis.

Edit: In law enforcement circles there a term call a "Nazi Meth Lab" which is making meth from anhydrous ammonia and other common household products. Adolf Hitler, developed a cleaner method of making meth, hoping to increase stamina for his soldiers.

 

I don't need to prove it because it is a FACT that it happend. However, I will do my best to find some facts for you. However, I have a question....when you were learning history in school didn't you ever see the pictures of the mass graves at Auschwitz? Didn't you ever read any of the accounts of the survivors or of those who freed them? They even have film footage of emaciated prisoners being freed. Where the hell did you go to school that you didn't see these things?

And what about my grandparents? They were THERE, they have the tattoos on their arms to prove it. My grandmother watched her parents die in the gas chamber. My grandfather watched his father starve to death. Don't you feel any compassion at all?

I will find you a bunch of facts-why I have no idea, since its a FACT that the Holocaust happend-but I will do it. Since its obvious you didn't/don't/won't go to college (you'd never survive since you're not willing to accept facts) I will try not to talk over your head.

 

Here you go...

1. Listing of Nazis Concentration Camps, including who died....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp#Major_Nazi_Concentration_Camps

Please click on each camp and read about the horrors of what happend. Look at the picture of the emaciated prisoners at Buchewald. Read about what happend to the prisoners in Neuengamme at the end of the war. ESPECIALLY read about Ravensbruck, a camp in GERMANY that had gas chambers. Read about the deaths from starvation, torture, being worked to death, the death marches, and from diseases that were caused by the horrible sanitation in these camps. You act as if since everyone didn't die in gas chambers, then that's ok. It's not. Also, read about the gas chambers and about the deaths due to medical experiments. Educate yourself. I know its hard to accept the fact that this happend, but it did. Imagine what its like for the survivors and for those who freed them. Put yourself in their shoes.

2. Read about Holocaust revisionism...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_revisionism

Please read about the beliefs of Holocaust deniers, Holocaust denial examined, and ESPECIALLY read about the well-documented evidence of the Holocaust that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that it DID indeed happen. You need to read this because you need to see where your denial is coming from. I still don't understand how you went through school and are still able to deny the Holocaust. My guess is that you had a family member who was a member of a hate group and they taught you to hate.

3. Please look through the Holocaust Encyclopedia at the U.S. Holocaust Museum...
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/

Includes deeply disturbing pictures of emaciated prisoners and of mass graves.

4. Read the personal histories of Holocaust survivors...
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/phistories/

There's a lot more proof out there, but this is enough. I consider this conversation to be over. I proved the facts of the Holocaust. I hope that someday you'll become educated enough to accept the facts.

 

Why the bloody hell would I PM you or start a new thread... if this thread already exists to discuss this?

Providing links is not spam.
While, actually posting crap on the forums for being "fucking rude" (hypocrite) , is idiotic.

You have said nothing, and offered nothing...that's the point.

You still did not offer any counter arguments...

Kate said it best, no one blames ONLY Hitler... all Nazis were responsible...and in my opinion, the Neumberg trials went way too easily on them... I am only glad that the Israeli secret service, the Mosad, finished off the remianing Nazi generals.

 

BraveSirRubin...I could kiss you.

 

Thank you for bringing that up. People sometimes forget that it wasn't just my people that were murdered by the Nazis. Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, and homosexuals were also among the victims. And I always find it shameful that no one mentions the fact that the Allies basically ignored what was happening to the Jews and the other victims until it was too late and millions were dead.

 

I think there are some seriously obstreperous people in this thread But i will agree with reason. Before i continue i would like to apologies for the grammatical, spelling and other mistakes that i have and almost definitely will continue makeing. Ok here i go ... thank you free love for this graciously obtuse thread it has inspired me to start creating some controversy among the forums. It was a remarkable kick in the backside as your are the last person to motivate me to write since my last love/romance - So for that alone I applaud you

To all those who lost family in the terrible atrocities that where the death camps of Nazi Germany. I am Very sorry as you are obviously still angry and hurt.

But all of you preach the irrelevance of the points he?, she? was makeing whilst overlooking the things you where acusing him of. Which on a mayority where more irrelevant and most importantly false. in fact the only thing free will did do wrong in my opinion was leave blankspots of information which i can only assume he though was common knowledge.
(note to poster: Being Consice is great but as others have said your post was vauge mabey a repost in Laman. XD )

FOR THE RECORD I AM NOT A NEO-NAZI IM A AMAZONIAN NATIVE ...

AND A PEACEFULL HIPPY LOVEING PACIFIST.

I do belive that the Nazi's where wrong most of the time but as someone pointed out earlier the Autobahn and VolksWagon (which icidentaly was the car of hippies)

And i do belive in the death camps of WW2 Europe (yes they where situated all over)

And most importantly i belive it was morally wrong.. but hey thats my opinion and above all else my opinion at the end of the day is my fact, And the same applies to all of you ... FACT is a world you should rarely use infact I personally never use it
1. Because your facts/opinion changes with time
2. there is never any other proof that matters except the one youve experienced
3. Saying anything is fact is saying that you know it is or was so meaning you would of have to experience it ... and i assume your not dead so..
4. Facts are bullshit most "fact" is fed to you by sources which "How the fuck" do you know are reliable.

Oh yeah sorry to all i lost track and started to sidewardly traverse to the end LOL

Peace Love and please stop bickering its past its gone its done

Love

Wyvern

 

Actually, a great many facts will never change. Especially historical facts. Unless someone plans to invent a time machine, go back, and stop Hitler before he even gets started.

 

dont believe everything your history teacher told you...the "historical" versions we americans hear are offten tainted with pro-amerika propaganda for indoctination purposes...(generally speaking)

 

And don't listen to your math teacher... he might be mixing up the numbers in secret codes to brainwash you into liking Bush.


Be bloody serious, one must be an idiot to not understand that all history is biased. History is a perspective, it will always be biased towards someone... it cannot possibly not be so. That is why an educated person first reads about History from different sources, and then talks of it.

 

Ok yes History is bias and we all know that but unfortunatly you seem to be a bit uneducated in the world .. i assume you live in America that would probably be the one of the reasons, another have you ever traveled further than america?, would you have known about the legality of the war if not for the semi-recent news broadcasting probably not ... unfortuntly i am only assumeing so far and cannot prove this. You i am sure live in a sheltered existence as with me and most of the world where information about certain things have been altered at the whim of others. Now for a brief moment if you will imagine that tommorow they found out "im not saying this is true or that it isn't" that the world was governed by one rule and found a complete history of all war. Documentation that made more sense than anything else but completely contradicts your belife of the world ... what would you choose to belive.

The FACTS that teachers in schools college told you was so
or recent facts which are now belived to be FACT or neither?

Im sorry but i laugh at your notion that "anyone who have been educated so far would know" because you have been educated by a system that chooses exactly what you learn for all you know it could all be lies but instead of keeping that option open to all options you choose to follow it blindly.

I mean do you belive the world is flat.

Keep it semi-real oh by the way this is not a personal attack im just trying to find out why you disregard other peoples belifes as bullshit?

 

If you're adressing me, then, I have traveled to over 50 countries, lived for more than 4 years on 3 different continents (Russia, Israel, and Honduras...Asia, Middle East/ Europe, and Central America/ South Amerca), and am well aware of the historic background of every place I have visited or lived in.

 

Good same here , hope you enjoyed it but im sorry but you have to trust people more and the government less also try not to be rude.

 

I don't know what kind of proof some of you are looking for, but being of Polish descent myself and having relatives who survived WWII and were first hand witnesses, I can tell you that the Holocaust definitely happened and that, of course, the Jewish were manily targeted (but not only, Poles and others as well). My grandmother worked at a concentration camp cooking and cleaning for the SS officers and she has many horrible sotries to tell. To this day, if you visit Auschwitz, you can see for yourself human hairs flying around.

There are too many witnesses to the holocaust, some still alive today - and how you can negate their stories and call them lies is beyond me.

Now, whether Hitler is 100% responsible I will not argue because obviously there were many more players involved, but even if he was partly responsible (and I believe that part was larger than smaller) - that should be sufficient enough not to portray him in a positive way, no?

Mal

 

FreeWillFreeLove: would of been???
Don't you know basic grammar? You like to use big words but didn't you learn the basics? Same as in this topic - big ideas and arguments, little knowledge of the basics of history....sad.

PS
I think you watch too much TV

 

Its not possible to portray him in a positive way.

 

What the hell makes you think he trusts the US government more than people when he doesn't even live in the US? And what's this about facts only being facts when you have experienced them? Shit, if that's the only way you'll believe anything you must not believe that Antarctica exists (assuming you've never been there to "experience" it), or that childbirth is painful (since you've never experienced that), or that George W. Bush is the president of the US (after all, you've never met him, so he must not exist). Facts DO exist, but so do morons who will deny anything if they think the government might agree with it.