A Defence for A. Hitler

First, let me say that I am not imposing this view, neither do I know it to be entirely true - it is a possibility which I have arrived at after looking at masses of evidence, and being aware of what I am aware.

So, what happened before, during and after World War 2? Beforehand, the country was in tatters after WW1, and was in a major recession. The left-wing socialist movement - popular at the time for obvious reasons - was blamed for a lot of the troubles at the time (post WW1/pre WW2), as well as the Jews, and other ethnicities.

Then the promise of change came around. It meant a relatively young united Germany (under a Republic system, but still under the same strings, otherwise we would look upon the revolutionaries in Germany, inspired by Russian success, as victors - they weren't) looking overseas perhaps to build a little bit of an empire?

In my opinion, under the massive system of oppression in the world - THE ILLUMINATI - many many obstacles have been created to keep us in the dark - the signs of it, and the Revolution against it, are everywhere. War is one of these things, as a negative energy designed purely to damage positive energy.

If you believe in Reincarnation (that our mental energy does not die and can exist in many forms in many points throughout time) and "all that" then the scenario I'm about to give you might not seem that shocking:

Imagine Hitler, as someone in the position to know about the secret knowledge of the mind, the Hidden Agenda and "all that", knew that he, one day, would be responsible/blamed for the death of millions of people (and not just the people he should of been, seemingly all the rap for WW2 was taken by Hitler and the other Nazi's (the other German ones ). What if Hitler saw that these people were going be oppressed under the empire he could create. But keep in the back of your mind that it is possible, as has been shown in the recent past, for Leaders to be out of touch with their country and even with the workings of their own country, especially in times of hardship and strife. So your mind is open to the possibility that Hitler was a puppet (from forces *above* and $below$ - just symbols ) and that he wasn't entirely responsible even in his own country, in his own office perhaps.

So, what if all those deaths had a point? What if Hitler agreed to the authorisation under "duress" or outside influence? Then where did all the released mental energy go? If you look on each life as a day, with sleeptime/death being the time you learn and process the days/lifes happenings and events, then reasonably, Death ain't that bad (it's just the means that usually gets us ) and Also, all the people who died on the battlefields and concentration camps and all that must of endured some hardship, some Training for the next life or two....

And what followed shortly on after the end of World War 2? Well there was the cold war but that's irrelevant. There was also the Baby Boom, the Birth of Rock and Roll...and something else, something which saw loads of young, enthusiasticly open-minded and gifted people grace our planet and stand up for Free Will, and Free Love more importantly.

I'll give you a sticker if you can guess what it was

 

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Just a thought.

 

Hey can you provide some evidence to back up those statements? Last time I checked the Jews didnt manufacture the atom bomb and your furhur was well on his way to make one.
PS: Sorry to the original poster. Due to idotic people you wont be able to get a serious discussion going

 

why do you people even bother coming here? don't you have a dark little cave you should be creeping around in?

clearly you are coming here with the intent of insulting and irritating people. all you want is to pick a fight. if you really want to discuss things like this with people why don't you go to a place where you can frolic with other hate mongers such as yourself.

 

Serra I love your sig pic! You look just like one of my friends in that pic.....so pretty!

 

awwwww thanks!!


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BUWHAHAHAHAHA!Is that your pic?:&
MUHAHAHAHAHA!

 

I asked for a serious discussion, not offhand and ignorant rebukes.

I'm not defending Hitler as if i believe he was a good man, for from it. If you don't believe any of that which i have wrote then you people that have dissed me are the narrow-minded ignoramus's, NOT ME!

The fact is i could write an essay on this, but i wanted more people to read it. There has been mass deception in our society and you guys are seeming to lap it up!

The whole point was, that Hitler knew about the Illuminati and all that "hippy hocus pocus", and knew what the effect a world war would have, not just in the physical and easily identifiable realm, but in the hyper-spatial/cosmic realm as well.

We as a society are tainted with the belief that "we" won and that the evil side lost - what if there was no war, our world would be hugely oversized, and everything that is destined to happen might not happen.

If you don't believe me, explore.

 

I highly doubt that you've looked at "masses of evidence". Your theory is complete malarky.

 

I don't like to say this, I don't want to complain, but this thread has already gone way to far. At the moment I'm too sick and tired (almost 11 pm in Holland) to discuss this with you. But you really can't say this, I am Jewish and a lot of my family was killed in the concentration camps in Nazi-Germany. So don't mess around with the facts. Maybe it's very interesting to you, but you have to be careful with your words, it hurts me and it might hurt more people. I am not trying to teach you a lesson or something, I just want to warn you to be careful. Stay cool!

 

Yes, let us be super-sensitive to the poor jewish people and thier so-called holocaust. Let us not look at both sides of the equation. Some things are too sensitive to discuss. It is 11:00 PM in Holland according to our sensitive person. It is 6:45 am in midwest USA right now and I have been up all night with things to do today, with no sleep this past night.

Guess what? I am not a "hippy", so I don't care if I tread upon your shoes - I will speak the truth as I feel it. How can one, or even many, people say that this thread has gone too far and expect it to be deleted? Why shouldn't FreeWillFreeLove have his say? What is more valuable, your opinions and beliefs, or his? Neither, says I.
The first to scream against censorship is a liberal, but the first to censor is that same liberal.

Lets us discuss these things that are heretofore to sensitive for discussion; Let us decide wherein does lie the truth. No longer should we hide from the reality of things, but instead investigate what we have been taught. Is it truth that we have been taught, or is it fiction? Is it fact, or is it pure shit? You tell me, for I am no more than a truth seeker - and you may house the truth that I seek.

 

"So called" halacaust? are you implying that it didn't happen?


then why don't i have any relatives from my mothers side? Do you suppose they all just, say, took a vacation to germany and mysteriously died?

if the halacaust didn't happen, what happened to my family?

 

And just how did Hitler know all this beforehand? Did a fairy come and tell him? Please. Hitler did what he did because he CHOSE to do it. He IS entirely responsible for everything; his followers are responsible for chosing to follow him, but the whole concept of Nazism wouldn't have even been widespread enough to cause any significant damage had it not been for the fact that Hitler used his power and propaganda to promote it. If Hitler was a puppet at all, it would be irrelavant since he CHOSE to become one.

You do not understand karma at all. Karma is not to be used by more-fortunate people as an excuse for ignoring and allowing the deaths and suffering of millions of people. If the people who died in the holocaust are simply harvesting their bad karma from a previous life, that doesn't mean it's their FAULT, and it sure as hell doesn't excuse our allowing them to suffer. By excusing the suffering of others by saying "it's just their bad karma", we ourselves will harvest bad karma for our own lives. Preventing others from suffering will not prevent those with bad karma from harvesting it, it will catch up with them one way or another, so why be apathetic when you yourself will get bad karma from the apathy?

I fail to see any evidence that all these events are directly related to the Holocaust. I also fail to see how the Cold War--a war of paranoia which lasted almost half a century--is irrelavent.

By the way, "Free love" is BULLSHIT and is not a positive result of ANYTHING.

 

You disgust me. Both you and the thread starter should be banned because its obvious that you are Neo-Nazis.

I'm Jewish and the fact is that the Holocaust happend. To ignore it is to let it happen again.

And btw...anyone who has ever been educated beyond the fifth grade knows that opinions that are not based in fact are pure bullshit and should be ignored.

 

hey i'm jewish and i can admit there are two sides to every story. further, i can even try to see what the bearer of this thread was trying to say. o my god, what's that about?

a jew who can try to see past the bias built up around the holocaust (yes, you are being incredibly biased whether it is 'positive' or 'negative') i must be a jewish neonazi or something?

come on, i think we all owe it to ourselves to be open to hearing other possibilities outside of simply those that we adhere to.

don't be so afraid of being labled (ex: a "NEO NAZI! OMG! BAN HIM!") that you don't even consider the other side of the story at all.

"to ignore it is to let it happen again," eh? what about all the other cases of genocide in the world? i agree it's important to not let it happen again, and that a major factor in that is remembering previous occurances, but the jews weren't the only ones to EVER be systematically disposed of. even within the holocaust.

so we should ignore theories not based in fact, eh? wow. i'm not even going to contest that. i feel very sorry for you dear. I think you're cutting yourself off from a lot of possibilities.

 

I have no idea what happened to your family, or if even any are missing. You may just be saying that to garner sympathy. If they died in Nazi Germany than I am sure there is a record of that, as the Nazis were known to be meticulous records keepers.


vincenielsgirl: This statement will prove to be your downfall in this discussion: "And btw...anyone who has ever been educated beyond the fifth grade knows that opinions that are not based in fact are pure bullshit and should be ignored."

Show us the fact that your opinion supports that there was a Nazi holocaust against the jews. If you are the owner of one ounce of good sense than I caution you not to go any further with this as I can show proof that 6,000,000 jews did not die at the hands of the Nazis; You will show none that it did, for there is none in existance.

I am afraid that if we do continue this as a debate, then I will get banned. Not because I might get abusive (which I would endeavor not to do), but this being a hippy forum, I am sure that politically correct is the order of things here. I think that this forum is not meant to be anything more than a light hearted "love and peace" kind of place.

Anyway, if you do want to continue this discussion, I will, as I do not back down from a fight.

 

My opinion on this......I dont care if 6 million Jews... (people....lets just say people, ok?)... 6 million people died at the hand of hitler or 600 people died. The fact remains that hitler was a horrible man who ordered the death of massive amounts of people for his own twisted CRAZY reason. As if what he did can even be classifyed as "reason"....heh!
He was a mass murderer, nothing more, and there are no defenses for that!

 

Let me start off by saying that you are an idiot.

First off, what you wrote isn't even a defense, it's just one long thoughless blabber. You say you are aware of facts, yet all of your 2 paragpaphs of bullshit are based on the assumption that Hitler "might have known that he would be responsible". First off, no, he didn't know. You do not understand the concepts of reincarnation (or Karma, as Kate said... or anything else for the matter), he could have not possibly known, it's imposible, yep, imposible, you would only be a fool, a fool which will be laughed at and harmed...rightfuly.

A lesson for you, young one: Never try to explain History with ideology, or any theological concept. Since, no matter how many people believe in them, they are still completely factual in a universal sense.

Hitler? A political puppet? How can the person, who, almost by himself, brought the NAZI party to power be a pawn? Dictators, are not puppets... know that for future reference.

Oh yes, "death ain't that bad", esy for you to say... idiot. You do not know what people in the concentration camps have been to. Death is nothing compared to the expereince. You are a fool to say that it was "good" for them in some way.

No, you do not process the day's events in sleep, I will save myself the explenation. You cannot possibly prove that you process the events of your life at death, stating that as a fact is idiotic.

The so called "hardship and training" being Karmic benefits... hell, see what Kate (Strawberry_Fields_Forever) said.

How is the Cold War irrelevent then, by your speculations?
How was the Baby Boom actually good?
How could you relate Rock to WWII... I did not know that most of the early rock songs were centred on Hitler. (plus, ofcourse, the fact that rock music originated earlier than '37)

Your last statement makes no sense by itself.

My suggestion, finish 9th grade... and this time, do not make idiotic speculations after you read the WWII chapter in your history book.

Glad to give feedback,

Pavel.

 

lol. wow. fascinating, like saltines.

 

I stopped reading after half way down this page with disgust that my point could so be widely taken on such a dangerous tangent. Yes, a provocative issue, but the same issue is being handed to the world, now with Saddam Hussein (who Western news has reported in the past - as leader - as being a puppet, as being out of touch with his country and essentially a figurehead leader, who upon hearing bad news would reportedly kill the deliverer, so no-one told him bad news, and ended up fucking him over to the US - ALL RELEVANT) and soon with leading members of leading Western Governments.

Do you see the comparison? the US is comparable to Nazi Germany at the moment except subversively incidiously worse, so defend Bush or Blair as equally. I compare the US to Nazi Germany looking at it militarily, in their foreign and domestic policies, and the way the governments use propagandha and shocking events and such to rally the cause to get people into a frenzy to approve essentially lynch mob justice. You think i agree with the atrocities? You're very silly.

But look at it critically and educate yourself to the true nature of the world, don't let the fact that someone you knew died in the last war affect your judgement, if we thought about that all the time we'd always be fighting.

PM me if you're willing to discuss this sensibly, or start a new thread and invite me.

The world is full of hidden knowledge but some people appreciate the syntho-electro-vinyl film that covers our shiny happy world, gives us a right and a wrong in our lives to support and repress, respectively. If you don't appreciate what i say about the soul energy of the victims moving into other beings, and look on it as wrong, i pity you! Why WOULDN'T you want to think that your grandmother or possible aunty or brother was reborn into another vessel and was part of the pre-curser to, well...do your own reading.