WTF is with anarchy?

Discussion in 'Anarchy' started by Peace_love_equality, Dec 21, 2005.

  1. Italy185

    Italy185 Straight male... here to make friends

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    I don't think all of these people that want Anarchy really understand what it means, look at the warlord system and Africa where the person that is the strongest can do absolutely anything they want to anyone and nothing can be done...
    They would just be trading centralized government for a dictator style Warlord, it would not be everybody running around free having all the fun they want all day long it would be decidedly worse...
    I've seen those things first hand and it's not something I want any part of, Because unless you Ally yourself if someone with a ton of power there's no way you or your family can survive long...
     
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  2. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    Seems to me that it's just radical libertarianism.
     
  3. Hellozz

    Hellozz Members

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    an·ar·chy

    ˈanərkē/

    noun

    1. Whining complaining upper middle class white kids who will give up and quit at the first sign of trouble.

    2. A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
    "he must ensure public order in a country threatened with upper middle class white kids who will run away if confronted"

    3. Absence of government and absolute freedom of the upper middle class white kid, regarded as a political ideal.

    synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil

    "conditions are dangerously ripe for anarchy"
     
  4. Rots in hell

    Rots in hell Senior Member

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    cant be arsed looking if its been posted or not
    BUT !
     
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  5. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

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    So you take an ideology of people wanting to not be ruled, and twist it to people wanting to install warlords? Not quite bud.
     
  6. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I think he's saying nature abhors a vacuum.
     
  7. GuerrillaLorax

    GuerrillaLorax along the peripheries of civilization

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    If there were no government, what would you do if a gang were terrorizing your community?

    Some people insist that they need a gang to be safe from gangs. That’s the logic of the protection racket. In fact, no one will be safe until we are able to defend ourselves against gangs without forming them ourselves. What we need instead are networks of mutual aid and self-defense that do not concentrate power, but disperse it.

    But in spaces where government has broken down, like Somalia or Camden, New Jersey, we often see incredible violence.

    The state is not the only hierarchical force. When it collapses, all the other hierarchies that developed under its protection erupt into conflict, along with all the hierarchical groups that developed in the conditions of competition and artificial scarcity that it imposed. Without the state, you can still have sexism, racial privilege, local warlords. And if there’s anything worse than being ruled by a single government, it’s when multiple authoritarian organizations are contending to dominate you.

    Anarchists oppose all hierarchies, not just the state. Where statists seek to suppress conflict by imposing a monopoly on violence, anarchists seek to resolve conflict by undoing all monopolies in order that a horizontal balance of power can emerge. The problem in the world’s warzones is not too much anarchy, but too little.


    This could be extended by using real world examples laid out in the book Anarchy Works. The anarchist neighborhood of Exarchia in Athens, Greece, after creating a cop-free zone then went on to remove all the drug dealers from the autonomous zone and keep them out, which has led to intense conflict with the Greek mob.
     
  8. Scarecrow13

    Scarecrow13 Members

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    I think it's a great idea in theory, but then human nature comes in. We need courts for one thing. Once you have an arbiter of disputes, you have a government.
     
  9. RobB77

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    Already feeling much more free. lol
     
  10. KrashKharma

    KrashKharma Member

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    It's outrageous how few people in this thread have any idea what anarchism is. I see people saying it's 'retarded' () shit that 12 year olds believe in, but your understanding of what it is is no deeper than those hypothetical 12 year olds.

    Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is sceptical of authority and rejects all involuntary, coercive forms of hierarchy. Anarchism calls for the abolition of the state, which it holds to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful. As a historically far-left movement, it is usually described alongside libertarian Marxism as the libertarian wing (libertarian socialism) of the socialist movement and has a strong historical association with anti-capitalism and socialism.

    Anarchy is a political ideology based on collective action without forced participation and absent of coercion. That is all.

    When there is no property, there is no scarcity, and there is no incentive for theft or violence. You people have no vision beyond what you've been programmed to have.

    The threat you fear Anarchy leading to is already carried out by the state, on you. The state holds a monopoly on violence, and you're supporting it. The fact that this thread was created by someone called 'peace love equality' is hilariously absurd.
     

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