Zealots??

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by Yhote, Sep 26, 2008.

  1. Yhote

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  2. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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  3. verseau_miracle

    verseau_miracle Banned

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    :rolleyes:Gawd there are some fucking nutters in this world
     
  4. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    why does everyone who hears about this find it do odd? although its a "fake" idea, its a good one.

    it provides jobs, every nursing mother could be part of the solution. it reduces enslavement of the dairy cow. Human milk contains more vitamin E, iron, and fatty acids than cows milk, and is sweater than cows milk.

    i mean human milk was made for humans.... doesn't seem odd to me, its better for us than cows milk.

    personally ill stick to no ice cream, except for the occasional rice/soy ice cream.

    PETA is eccentric... i don't like eccentric protests, but i still think this idea shouldn't be dismissed right away. it could have potential.
     
  5. verseau_miracle

    verseau_miracle Banned

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    It was made for very young humans. Ive never really had any desire to suckle any teets myself past the age of about 2. But each to their own. I do see its far less absurd than drinking breast milk from a different species. I still think its totally weird. Whatever happened to giving birth, nursing your kid and then leaving it at that and being satisfied with real food, like every other mammal. People would end up being exploited too, and i dont see how that idea could be a "good one" when there are perfectly fine plant alternatives to make a near identical product without the freakiness, not to mention disease spread potential. Sensationalist rubbish
     
  6. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    well, i think the whole "drinking other animals' milk" thing arose from a need to utilise natural resources and nutrients we couldn't access without the digestive systems of ruminants. we can't digest grass, they can, and they turn it into milk. VOILA! we have access to more food, especially during hard times! and then you get all creative with it and addicted to it and cows have a reason to live, instead of a reason to be immediately butchered, and we now have building materials, fuel, etc.

    small scale usage of cows for dairy is neither harmful nor hurtful for the cow. in fact, it's an almost symbiotic relationship.
     
  7. verseau_miracle

    verseau_miracle Banned

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    Yep, thats where it came from. I personally dont see much use for it in developed countries with abundant plant foods, but its each to their own, and the more people buying from local small farms the better. Im not about to lay into someone who buys local organic produce, just the other animals milk stuffs just not for me. Or any milk. Im an adult and can digest plants
     
  8. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

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    in what way?
     
  9. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    the cows are kept alive, fed, healthy, sheltered, mated and bred. that's a pretty much what cows are looking for, it's not like they're out for spiritual fulfillment and a college degree. in return, the cows give milk.
     
  10. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    You're not likely to ever see this product.

    First, is for the possibility of transmitting disease, which means pasturization. That would neutralize any benefits right there.

    The second is the problem of supply. Can you imagine a bunch of lactating women showing up at a milking station to make qouta every day?


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  11. Magical Fire Lady

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    I mean I honestly feel a bit that drinking cow's milk is unnatural. Human milk would make more sense. For some reason its still a really gross idea to me... Really ridiculous. Ben & Jerry's have free range cows so just leave em be.
     
  12. dd3stp233

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    I don't understand how peta differentiates that its ok for people to have to do work but not other animals. Humans are a type of animal, in case they haven't noticed. In many places in the world, human workers are not treated much, if any, better then other working animals.
     
  13. verseau_miracle

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    Im not sure cows give milk. The milk is produced for their young, like it is with all mammals. That cycle is interrupted by the human. Im not bringing ethics into this because im not really in the mood. Simply saying i think thats the general vegan stance on the whole unnatural thing...and biologically i just see no need for the cow milk in the human system in developed countries when it best suits a little four legged four stomached creature. That goes for all breastmilks, i feel its for infants of matching species and thats that, but obviously viewpoints on this have a varied spectrum
     
  14. Willy_Wonka_27

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    there is a difference between work, and slavery.

    working people either choose to work, or are slaves.
    livestock animals cant choose as they are all slaves from birth.
     
  15. mamaKCita

    mamaKCita fucking stupid.

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    i dunno, man, having stayed on my grandpa's farm and seen how they treated their cows, and how their cows responded to them, you'd have a hard time convincing me they're not happy and content to give. i mean, it was just a couple cow ranging around the place, happy as can be.
     
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    But the majority of people, how are not wealthy, do not have a choice as to whether they have to work or not. The situation of many of the worlds working classes isn't far from a form slavery.
     
  17. Willy_Wonka_27

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    ok?
    there are organizations working on this problem.
    and peta is doing what it does for animals.

    im not following, what does this have to do with livestock being slaves. are you saying because poor people around the world are "not far from slavery" that enslaving animals is ok.
     
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    I wasn't trying to say either was right or wrong, just similar. It just seems that peta saying they should use human milk doesn't address that similarity, which would be, in effect, violating they own philosophy.
     
  19. Willy_Wonka_27

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    peta chose Ben and Jerry's which is an American company that doesn't outsource. all of its employees would be here in America. so, all the mothers would be voluntary, and not slaves. people who are providing their product for a monetary return.
     
  20. veroness

    veroness There's only one :)

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    lets say this actually happened... and everyone started really enjoying the new kind of ice cream. then the women now would be in the same situation as the cows. they will be constantly impregnated, constantly being milked therefore having saggy boobs, then the babies that would be born would cause the population to become unbareable. its a shame
     
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