Yes Protest ... But What ??

Discussion in 'Protest' started by confessor, Aug 23, 2005.

  1. confessor

    confessor Member

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    These are again times when Americans need to dig out their sensible shoes and find a nice shady public arena to march around. However before we start we need to decide what to paint on the signs we carry. Granted, protests in the US are abundant, too abundant actually. Handfuls of people fighting for their cause, but they are fighting both government and their fellow protest groups.

    I tried the electoral process, that didn't work. I don't know why it didn't, but again I fail to trust it. Maybe it's just the area I'm in, but I can't see how Bush got 51% of the vote when 99.8% of the people I know voted for Kerry - or at least claim they did. I know I did, I really wasn't sure what he could have salvaged from the damage Bush had left him, but I was sure I didn't want Bush to continue his little war - oh excuse me skirmish - resistance - what is it again?

    I think a lot of our problem is we find one thing that disturbs us, find a few more people who feel the same way we do about the same issue, then drive our point all the way to the Supreme Court in an attempt to make everyone feel the same way. But that doesn't work, all it accomplishes is creating laws and precedents only a few will follow, clogging the system by attempting to prosecute everyone who doesn't. We are spending so much time worrying about the little things that the big things are beginning to topple upon us.

    Democracy itself is an issue today. We wouldn't stand to have communism or even socialism forced upon us, so who are we to force democracy on the rest of the world? Sure it would be nice if everyone in the world thought and acted the exact same way we do, but when you try to force people to believe in what you tell them to, and only act when you instruct them to, how far is that from communism, or worse?

    Doesn't anyone wonder why our President is so concerned about keeping one middle-age woman in a persistant catatonic state alive for her parents, but has no problem letting scores of well-bodied young Americans get blasted away by car bombs every day? Doesn't anyone have problems accepting the fact our first line of terrorist security can't differenciate between a known terrorist and an infant who happens to share the same name? I know we're not all as dumb as Mencia portrays us to be, but I still have to laugh at how close he comes to seeing us for how we act sometimes.

    What we need to do is take a break from pushing our individual statues up to the courthouse steps, and let those inside the courthouse know they wouldn't have a nice warm office to spin what they do all day into some sort of quasi-productive work if it wasn't for us. The real strength of America has always been in each individual's right to freedom. The more democracy we create by passing laws against what some believe to be bad for us only eats away at that right. If America doesn't have the people behind her, there may dawn a day that sees no America.

    You want to protest- Great! But let's protest for the right things, so we can have the strength in numbers needed to make the changes that need to be made. Try not to break off from the mainstream because you have a problem with one angle of an issue. The most people who fight for the same cause will have the best chance of having that cause written to history. And it will be the right cause if everyone genuinely agrees with it, not just because it's written into law or accepted by the biggest church.
     
  2. ChanginTimes

    ChanginTimes Member

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    First off, can you please seperate your one huge paragraph into a series of smaller paragraphs? It's much easier on the eyes to read it that way.

    Second, you make some valid points, but some of your reasoning and even the premise seems a bit skewed. The poll especially is based on false logic. Check out the upcoming September mobilizations.

    www.septemberaction.org
    www.globalizethis.org (site is down temporarily)
     
  3. confessor

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    1. The first one's easy - done :)
    I think the skewing came from writing this during the day. I really shouldn't try to write when I'm sober :) Actually I started out with an idea I had the day before, but the better half was watching CourtTV and I think one of those lawsuits got me discombooberated.

    This was my first experiment with the poll feature, I didn't read the instructions first like you're supposed to, and by the time I did I realized it couldn't be edited. I know what you mean though, that last question is especially hard to qualify. So if you want to disregard the poll, that's cool. I'll try to do better next time. As a matter of fact if the admins need to do any housecleaning, feel free to delete it all. If I come up with something I think is good, I always keep a copy anyway ...
     
  4. soaringeagle

    soaringeagle Senior Member

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    so, um, yoir suggesting everyone unite behind 1 cause? & what cause would that be if theres so many things bush has fucked up?
    the only cause i can see that you could get most of the nation behind is impeaching bush & locking his ass in jail
     
  5. green_revolution

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    I agree with what you're saying and on the fact that the strength of America was built on personal freedom. But when you think about it, how much freedom do we actually have? Abortions are only semi - legal in most areas, Marijuana, a drug that is actually safer then nicotine is illegal, corporations own almost if not half of America.

    I say, we need to give freedom a new meaning. Why not explore a government that is closer to a sense of anarchy and trust instead of just laws and violations. I mean there are certain general laws that apply to all mankind such as respecting others and respecting the earth. But other then that, who's right is it to set a certain standard of living for an entire population.

    The key to a succesful society is to live how you want to live, keeping in mind that there are others around you and they too deserve a right to do so.
     
  6. confessor

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    I'm not sure ChanginTimes got the message, but I know you and eagle did. [​IMG]

    I realize a lot of people are getting tired of hearing us hippies rag on Bush, but with a suprizingly numerous amount of different reasons. "You all bitch but you don't do anything to change it". We found out voting doesn't work anymore, What are we supposed to do, take a shot at Bush? Even if we wanted to, (and could, for that matter) it wouldn't change anything. One more hippie in prison, Bush wouldn't die, he's too evil, and even if he did the powers that evidently keep his sorry ass in office now would just put another puppet on it's hand.

    "The world needs leaders like Bush, someone who has the balls to tell the UN what needs to be done, instead of letting the world dictate what we should do." So why so we even have the UN? Wasn't formed in the first place to prevent exactly this thing from happening? I thought, as do many others, th UN's purpose is to maintain world peace, develop good relations between countries, promote cooperation in solving the world’s problems, and encourage respect for human rights. Bush supporters, on the other hand, seem to think the UN just stands in the way of converting the entire world's population to this perfect 'democracy' we enjoy in the US.

    "Whenever someone does something as horrendus to inoccent US citizens as Bin Laden did, they need to pay, and pay dearly."
    I couldn't agree more. But what does that have to do with Hussein? Oh yea, th WMDs. But Gee Dubya couldn't find the damn things if they were hidden in The White House. Hell after 4 years he still can't find Bin Laden, even though his daddy probably has cancelled checks from him.

    The word 'free' itself has lost all meaning in America. Everyone knows you can't get anything free unless you buy something first. Freedom has went from another word for nothing left to lose to another word for capitolistic communism. The people who bought Bush think they got something for nothing. Us dumb people know better. And if government thinks we're going to continue to fight for the right to be controlled by them, maybe they should take closer look at history.

    This I got a copy of :)
     
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