Wow!! Obama hand symbol for unity is the same as the symbol Hitler used.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Confederate Rebel, Oct 9, 2008.

  1. Confederate Rebel

    Confederate Rebel Member

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    Two of these images were just sent to me in an email (subject: The Obama Salute copies Hitler.....). I already had the last image (Obama speaking) that shows the salute in action!

    We all remember this lovely Obama salute:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XvTdcihcV...Dovu4KXP9c/s1600-h/obama-sign-of-progress.jpg



    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XvTdcihcV...v0l8-4BRa0/s1600-h/Obama%20in%20Oregon_70.jpg



    Hitler:

    The hands of the Führer organize his speech. This picture captures Hitler's hands as he speaks of the unity of the National Socialist and socialist ideas.



    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XvTdcihcV...TQY6A7Zs/s1600-h/obamahitler-obama-salute.jpg



    Scroll down to the 6th picture:

    http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/hitler2.htm
     
  2. stalk

    stalk Banned

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    that's creepy.
     
  3. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    not surprising in the least.. good find there CR ..
     
  4. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    [​IMG]

    Is commonly associated with the "Self High Five" as well as the "Diamond Cutter" symbol a hand gesture made by joining the thumbs and index fingers on each hand to form a diamond shape, then parting the two hands in one swift motion. He created the symbol in 1996 and later copyrighted it. DDP credits Bobby "The Brain" Heenan for coming up with the Diamond Cutter name. His Diamond Cutter finisher is so well known that the move -- a three-quarter facelock bulldog -- is now called the Cutter.

    It was creepy to me too.
    Not so creepy any more.
     
  5. stalk

    stalk Banned

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    that's because your dumbass can justify just about anything.
     
  6. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Usually you try to compare your opponents to Hitler, but really, how what else can you make of that?

    You have kids singing praises to him. Teenagers forming in military like stances yelling out Obama's policies as if they were sent down from God...

    I used to go to a Martial Arts class and we had our own creed, which was actually a good thing for youngsters in the class. The creed was about improving on ourselves, mentally, physically, and spiritually and to always move forward, not backwards. But what you have here is not the same. They have teenagers shouting off specific policies and praising a particular person as the bringer of change and hope... My martial arts creed never pointed to any other person other than ourselves.

    This is just very strange
     
  7. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    oh come on now stalk,odon may have a point.
    obama could be a wrestlin fan.:eek:

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    OHHH WAIT,,nope no black folks in the crowd,,so much for that theory..:rolleyes:
     
  8. stalk

    stalk Banned

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    another insanely creepy photograph. nice.
     
  9. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    I seriously doubt he got that from wrestling. And even if he did, the fact that it's being used as a mindless praise is worrying.

    Obama is a presidential candidate. Not a messiah. Not a God. Not a beacon of light. Just someone who wants to be president.

    The role of the president is to serve the people. To be a humble servant to our will. He's a leader, not an emperor. No WWE style praise necessary.
     
  10. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Come on.
    Which one is more likely to be true?
    Even if it is the same as what was used by Hitlers crowd.
    Does it not supposedly mean Unity?
    Not the first peace sign hijacked by the Nazi party, remember.
     
  11. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    no its not but isnt it in very poor taste to use it knowing its associated with hitler?
     
  12. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    HE?
    I don't see him doing it - got any images?
    To be honest the first one looks more like one the Democrats would use towards McCain (A-hole ;).)

    But the creator has loftier goals -

    Husong:
    “Our symbol ‘O’ is about much more than Barack Obama. It’s a symbol of unity, hope, solidarity, and an end to the divisiveness that has plagued this country for too long. It is the peace sign of our generation; a sign for those who are tired of the fear, the hatred, the greed, and the ignorance. There will be resistance, democracy requires it, but we believe that the good in the American people will persevere."

    What his wing nut supporters do, is one thing.
    What he does, is another.

    If I see HIM doing that sign, either sign (as there are two signs not one) - i'll get worried very quickly.
     
  13. def zeppelin

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    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/rpt27c.htm

    "The third value hidden within a nation is the drive to self assertion. A people that has lost this has almost given up its place in the world, in which each living creature owes its existence only to the eternal striving to rise higher. If a nation today proclaims the theory that it will find happiness in lasting peace, and attempts to live according to that theory, it will one day inevitably succumb to this most basic form of cowardice. Pacifism is the clearest form of cowardice, possessing no willingness to fight for anything at all."

    Just because they have attached a meaning to it doesn't mean that it's suddenly ok. Unity is great and all that but it is still being used to praise Obama, even if Obama didn't mean for that to happen. We are in desperate need of a savior so we look at him as such.

    No, HE didn't create the symbol. I correct myself with that. But the point that I am trying to get at is the overall attitude of the people.
     
  14. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Quite possibly you are attaching more meaning to their meaning and reason for the gesture.

    I think the first gesture could be more troubling than the second.
    I can appreciate your point with that one.

    The second just seems like the wrestling gesture.
    The OP has grabbed both and found a link to a gesture used by Hitlers crowd.

    I imagine more Americans would be aware of the wrestling reference than the Hitler reference, don't you?

    What attitude?
    There a far too many hand gestures used by Yanks for me to read too much into this, sorry (Well, till I see hordes of them doing it.)
    Everything from the peace V sign.
    To the heavy metal devil gesture.

    If you want to read this much into it, fair enough.
     
  15. def zeppelin

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    I get what you're saying.

    Perhaps I am just reading too much into it, but something about it is odd. I just can't put my finger on it.
     
  16. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Put your hands together that might help ;)
     
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  18. wackyiraqi

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    Would Obama supporters at an Obama rally be more likely show a hand symbol representing socialism (given the fact that Obama is a socialist), or a hand symbol used by Diamond Dallas Page?

    You have one hand symbol with two symbolic meanings. One meaning represents the unity of the National Socialist and socialist ideas. The other represents professional wrestler Diamond Dallas Page. Call me crazy, but it makes more sense to me that supporters of a socialist Presidential candidate would be more likely to use the hand symbol to represent socialist ideas, not Diamond Dallas Page. It just seems a little out of place to be throwing up Diamond Dallas Page hand symbols during a speech by Barack Obama. I don't see that connection.
     
  19. Varuna

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    I have never even seen that hand symbol, much less associated it with either Obama OR Hitler. It seems a very flimsy basis for comparison, especially for the implication you are trying to make.

    You should be very careful, however, about comparing any of our current political "leaders" to Hitler. Hitler was a deeply flawed man who abused his power, used hatred as a political tool, grossly misunderstood, and violated, everything Jewish (AND Christian), misled his country into war, and brought destruction to virtually every one and everything he set his stubbornly limited attention upon. Based on these observations, I find it much easier to compare Bush/Cheney (and by extension, McCain/Palin) to Hitler.

    Of course, I don't believe any of them are as bad as the man who killed 6,000,000 Jews and started WWII with his political stupidity and malice.

    When will you have had enough of that B.S.???
     
  20. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    EXACTLY! The McCriminal campaign has been waging a subtle racist themed narrative accusing Obama of things that are completely untrue.

    And now McCriminal's own followers are doing FAR WORSE than saluting him with hand gestures. They are actively calling for the assassination of Obama in PUBLIC! Are these individuals being ARRESTED by the Secret Service for their ILLEGAL public outcries? If so we aren't hearing about it!

    Secret Service GET TO WORK!

    STOP THESE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES AT McCAIN's rallies!

    How is it that WE are required to cooperate with the Secret Service when ppl threaten the president here on the Hipforums, but at McCain's rallies they can get away with screaming MURDER?
     

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