Would Christ approve of Christian hate?

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Please excuse the dubious poll, I just wanted to make a point. America is based on religious and moral convictions as well as the freedom of religious expression. But without the separation of church and state, we wouldn't have a Union. Remember the problems with the early colonies tolerance toward each others religions?

Lately, Civil issues, particularly Gay Unions, have become a prerogative of religion and not a social issue. Many religions are against alcohol, but Prohibition taught us how it is unwise and unfair for religion to legislate a single issue.

The prohibition against gays is based on hate. Some of the recent State Anti-Marriage Amendments also make it impossible for gay couples to visit their loved ones in the hospital. Even though the right wing denies that, these laws clearly limit any and all privileges of the sort. Obviously these laws are not meant to preserve marriage but to punish and demean gay relationships. That comes from hatred and it makes the U.S. look more like the draconian societies we are trying to free.

We have learned from some terrible historical examples to discourage bigotry and hate. But it still seems to find new and unique ways to infiltrate our lives. Such is the nature of evil.

Is this the kind of America you want, one that distrusts in your fellow man in the name of God?

What would Jesus say to all of the hate mongering shrouded in His name? Would Christ approve of Christian hate?
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Marriage benefits are a privilage and a special right granted by the state (the people) and are the business of the majority.
Thats who is giving a little more of 'their piece of pie' so that (in this case) a union between one man and one woman gets a little extra.
We are allowed to do that.

Have no idea why you think giving some privilages to other combinations (or not) has anything to do with 'hatred' or 'bigotry' or even 'love' for that matter.

As far as this stupid 'hospital tyranny' nonsense.. and I say nonsense because its a flying outrageous joke that ANYONE is rewriting laws or government policy based on A RULE A HOSPITAL ADMIN MADE UP!

Hey.. guess whats just slightly easier than totally redefining the definition of marriage and carrying on massive nation-wide policy changes?
Tell the guy who makes up the visiting schedule in the Hospital to CHANGE THE FUCKING RULE ON MONDAY.
Stupid.

Anways, stupid question anyways. If its born out of hate then its instantly safe to say its not Christian.

What exactly do you think you are going to hear?
Someone tell you that "yes.. Jesus has a thing called 'Christian Hate' and he condones certain kinds of Hatred"

Seriously?

 

Seriously, I don't really understand your TRANNY HOSPITAL explanation, but thanks for the livid example.

I guess if you could explain the kinds of hatred that Jesus condones, I'd like to know what that is. You mentioned the tax benefits awarded to married couples. Whether they have children or not society recognizes that the committed relationship is a stabilizing factor in our economy and it is encouraged. If it was about rearing children, then only married folks with children would receive benefits. In the same way, Gay couples are a stabilizing force of our economy and for decades have been at the vanguard of improving urban decay.

However, lets not forget the case of Sharon Kowalski. It taught some of us that love should determine who consoles us when we are stricken in a hospital. To actively deny that is hate. I guess that is one of the examples of Christian Hate I'm referring to.

So my question? Is this what Christ approves?

I'd like to believe there is a Christian who finds this as reprehensible as I do.
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Well who could forget Sharon Kowalsi (wtf?).

You mistakenly refered to that as 'Christian Hate' when in fact I believe you meant 'Hospital Hate'.
The guy in charge of scheduling made some rule.
Hospital Hate in Action!

As a Christian I am very much opposed to the Hospital hatefully determining who can console us when we are stricken!

One thing I guess we have to do as a society is completely rework the entire legal system in some effort to 'get around' that mutherfucker in the third floor admin dept of the Hospital who .. DAMMIT.. that Hospitalhater who is determining who I can console!!!

Come on gang!

 

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No, no, no. It is the State Constitutional Amendments that ban Gay partners from visiting their loved ones, not the Hospital. Hospitals want to see you surrounded by love so you get better.

It's the Christian Anti-Gay Amendments that go too far and promote hate.

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Remember, they are not "Christians". They are "Paulites".

A Christian would love anyone according to the example of Christ. Notice that (even in the Book of Myths) the only thing Jesus did not tolerate was INTOLERANCE FUNDAMENTALISTS! (Naturally because they are the enemies of humankind, peace, love and freedom.)

 

well put, many 'christians' are going to be the destruction of real christianity. real christians are people who love all people, all life, God. unfortunately there are not that many of these christians, i mean look at this site, the one site where you may expect many 'hippiechristians' who try to be jesus like, but i only really see a few, notable MollyBloom, Burbot etc. but then we have the example of 'when christianity goes wrong' with an example of erasmus

 

Hippie Christians are few and far between. Even on HipForums.

Looks like the Fundies have done their job.

 

Wow you are making sense Libertine

 

There was a time, long ago . . . Where there were Churches, Temples and Mosques on one street. Where Christians, Jews and Muslims lived together, thought together. It is not the religion that is incompatible, it is those who find their security in its order, take it to the extreme and let it consume them. There is no room for fundamendalists if we ever want peace on this earth.

This place, by the way, was in Spain and was common. Just saw an interesting documentary about it.

 

I always make sense, it's just that people don't always get it.

 

You make sense when they realise you don't get it.

 

You never make sense and everyone gets that.

 

Show calculus to a 5th grader.

 

"Certainly as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me."- Jesus


"Love one another as I have loved you" -Jesus

Therefore we see that Christ disapproved of sin he still loved the sinner. Therefore Christ would not approve of hate.

Christian hate in an onxymoron.

 

Buddha's taking a walk in heaven one day when he comes across Jesus sitting alone and swearing to himself;


Buddha: "What's wrong Jesus"?

Jesus: "What's wrong!?! I'll tell you what's wrong!! Look at all those assholes down there running around doing everything I told them not to do, and doing it in my name"!!

Buddha: "Yeah that's gotta suck".

Jesus: "Tell me about it. I'd sue their asses for liable except this is heaven; where the hell are you going to find a lawyer up here"?

 

The issue of hatred and the issue of homosexual practices are two separate and unconnected issues.

Christians should not hate anyone. If a Christian hates someone for sinning, then this is a hypocritical attitude, since hatred is a sin.

Christians should be humble, and put all others above themselves. They should befriend the sinners and try to warn them that they are sinning, and care about them as a friend.

Looking down on anyone for any sin is self-righteousness, which is a great evil in the world and serves only to create more sin, and to fool people into thinking they're "good people", when they actually are full of evil.

If you read what Jesus said and did in the Gospel, this is all so perfectly clear.

 

A true Christian would not hate anyone, because all of us have sinned. I will never enter heaven because I am so good. I will only enter heaven because God has forgiven me. God would have everyone enter heaven, yet man has chosen his own way. Hate, is not a result of Gods love. I may not agree with one's life style, but God wants that person. I dont believe a nation that allows a life style which opposes the Biblical view is good for any society. For the oppsite of God's plan is a road that often leads to death. The spread of aids was excelerated because of this life style, and to state otherwise would require a denial of history. How many 10s of millions must die before we wake up. And you say people who truly love should oppose the biblical view, and encourage this activity so we will realize even more deaths of the innocent.
Some may oppose the Gay movement because of hate, I would oppose it, because the Bible does not support it, and society will suffer all the more because of it. This is not hate, this is Biblical conviction, and common sense.

 

I think you should bear in mind that gay rights have only just come into the spotlight after gay issues were kept in the society closet for so long. I think the gay rights issue may well follow a course similar to that of civil liberties for negroes because society has inherited similar prejudices toward gays. Unfortunatley, if the civil rights for negroes is any example, you might be waiting a long time for people to shed their prejuduces.
I don't think gay rights opposition is best described as "hate" for the most part, though I do think that some people indeed hate for any reason they can find, and one reason is as good as another. Society just needs to adjust to the appearance of something that has been hidden for so long.
What would jesus think of hatred? If there ever was a jesus, he might think hatred is a bad, bad, thing.

 

I question how much of a zealot Paul really was. On the surface, he seems to be, but I wonder if so much of what he was criticizing involved debauchery or other similar horrific atrocities. I also wonder if and how much his epistles have been twisted.

Modern fundamentalists are today's Pharisees! They openly violate the commandment forbidding using the Lord's name in vain!