I believe that woman should have the right to have an abortion. It should be there own choice. I think the choice to abort or not depends on the situation and path your life takes you. Enough fighting about pro life, pro choice. I believe women deserve the right to choose. Otherwise we'll be going back to the times of illegal procedures and dangerous risks. Pro choice!!!!!
thank you, i completely agree. really it does depend on the path life takes you and whats going on at that time. birth control doesnt always work either.
:agree: We are overpopulated, people who have no buisness having kids are procreating (addicts, abusers, neglectors, kids themselves having babies, etc), and what is it about people having litters?! It's not natural to have 8 babies at once....talk about psychological complexes those kids will have......
I trust that women will make the right decision more often than the government would make the right decision. Even about whether an abortion should be performed.
Notice how it's usually some old, white, bible-quoting male who steps up to disagree? God I love America, so predictable...
I thought this old white guy was agreeing with the OP. Or were you speaking of Wahkon? Who sees the unborn as a person with the same rights as it's momma. Even when I disagree with them, us old white guys have got to stick together in pointing out ad hominim attempts to marginalize us. "Thou shall not kill" wasn't too Hebraic for PETA or the anti-war movement. I'm not sure how pointing out that Wahkon has more life experience than others weakens his position.
Straight to the point! But then of course, no one has a right to dictate females what they SHOULD do: when the guy runs away (as they do more and more often these days), it is HERSELF to cope with things. Further still, you see where we are coming with this discussion -- to the personal moral decision. Yes, we humans are MORE than animals; but animals don't do abortion, unless I'm misinformed ... So, let LOVE and NO KILLING principles help to make the right decision. The clinical experience shows, that for EVERY female abortion is a deep scar and trauma (synonims, I guess) -- mentally, if not physiologically. That brings it home, too.
I am glad to see that there are men out there that put faith and support in a woman's insinct and decision.... Well, animals dont abort, however, they do EAT and kill the ones that are not able to survive, if they have too many in a litter, often times the runt(s) will be left behind....so on and so forth. So what's worse, morally? Aborting a fetus or killing, abandoning, abusing, neglecting an already born, whole, breathing life?
the 'right to lifers' i've known irl never were interested in the well-being of the born as much as their desire to force everyone to have a child every time they have sex. i tend to assume people spouting 'right to life' beliefs are similarly uninterested in the well-being of the born. their task seems to be to ensure that every zygote becomes a living, breathing, suffering human...at which point, their job is done.
These are fundamentalists, I assume. Fanatics, who never care about humans at all, but that "their own will be done"( which is normal for all casts of fanatics). They even are against candoms, although using candoms kills nothing at all. Am I , perhaps, one of these? Well, I don't have children and I can't afford now; so, I don't have sex either. For 8 years now -- and didn't die from that either. No impotent, can tell you that. Have sexual drive and sound attraction to women. No no no, I don't mean it's normal, maybe I'm mentally ill or something. Just haven't found a girl to become my HAPPY wife, and don't want to make anybody UNHAPPY, and people of my religion don't have sex before marriage and don't divorce as easily as change their jobs. All because of this responsibility to take care of the baby AFTER birth, of which marriage is a good guarantee. I know, I heard a lot against viewing marriage as such guarantee; but hey, LOVE seems to be even more futile in the way of providing guarantees, eh? You women know better, I guess. I know I'm risking my life by saying these things below, but: How about LOVE? How about NO KILLING? Abstaining from meet so to avoid killing poor pigs, because killing is bad. Can we go as far with the abortion issue, I wander?
Not that i want to make any one mad but, if you're choosing to not have a baby, don't fucking make one. Wear a condom. Truthfully i think abortion is murder, so try to not have the baby if you don't want it.
women do not often run around risking pregnancy with children they have no way to care for and/or do not want to care for...except in the case of the insane perhaps...which i think we can assume are statistically rare. sometimes pregnancy happens in spite of one's best efforts to prevent it. and at those times, there must be a backup plan short of having an unwanted child. women do not have abortions because it's fun. they have them when it's necessary. love is wonderful, but in the real world sex happens in the absence of love...a lot...and not always voluntarily. and even when love is involved, that doesn't necessarily mean the parents have the means to raise a child. not everybody holds the life of an unborn human higher than all other considerations, such as the ecosystem that supports us all. and not everybody holds that it's wrong to eat animals. like the joke goes, if you love animals so much why are you eating their food? it is the nature of our world that animals are food for other animals, including humans. these are complex philosophical issues, and each of us must do the best we can to make our own best decisions. we have contracted, for the sake of a civil society, that all born humans have rights...not everyone believes that these rights should be extended to the unborn. not everyone believes that anyone has the right to make that decision for anyone else. i don't believe i have the right to tell any woman that she must carry a child to term and either raise it or give it away. neither do i believe i have the right to tell any woman that she has to abort. i believe each woman must make that decision for herself. and i will continue to support every woman's right to make that decision for herself.
Right. Matters are more complicated than to kill or not to kill... Rather than offer a child a miserable life, if he/she is unwanted... Besides, does the child have anything to say in whether he/she wants to be born?
Well, I totally agree about the miserable life in this world -- that's why I wouldn't have children, and that out of love for them. But you know, I seldom meet people, who would agree. The general opinion is: to live is better, than not to live. A dog, while alive, fairs better still, than a dead lion -- as the saying goes. So, since we can't ask THE baby, we can otherwise consider the question to be well answered, can we not? And women's right to decide -- why, I personally have no right to dictate any woman what to do in any area of her life -- as long as my own existence is not concerned. Nor anybody else in any respect. Unless it be, of course, the LEGAL father of the baby. In my very humble opinion.