will mccain replace palin

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  1. yarapario

    yarapario Village Elder

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    As palin continues to demonstrate her woeful lack of skills some conseratives are calling for mccain to replace her. Anyone think mccain will dump the dummy? He's pulled a lot of attention getting stunts already since he has nothing of substance to offer. Will palin all of a sudden decide she must drop from the race to care for her family? Will mccain decide he wants romney or someone else?
     
  2. real_large

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    He should, but he can't. It would be admitting the cynicism and horrible lack of judgment he displayed in choosing her.

    From a recent article in Newsweek by Sam Harris, founder of The Reason Project and author of The New York Times best sellers “The End of Faith” and “Letter to a Christian Nation.”:

    "I believe that with the nomination of Sarah Palin for the vice presidency, the silliness of our politics has finally put our nation at risk."
     
  3. stalk

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    he called her his soulmate . .

    what a fool
     
  4. ER_1015

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    Wow, I did not know that. What an utterly ridiculous gaffe this whole situation has become.

    I am so desperately looking forward to the Biden-Palin debate on Thursday that yes, I will be missing The Office and Thirty Rock to watch it.

    Query: Would it be in poor taste to have a party surrounding it and call the whole event "Palinpalooza"? :confused:
     
  5. The Scribe

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    This is a win win situtation. If Sarah Palin stays on the ticket she makes John McCain look bad. If she leaves she makes him look bad.

    If she is seen to have been forced off the ticket, Christian conservatives will be terribly offended. They never really warmed up to McCain. Most are lower income, and have little education. They see Palin as one of them. Christain conservatives have an inferiority complex, and will see this as an attack on what they are and what they believe in.
     
  6. The Scribe

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    I wish I could be invited to that party. I went to a party when Richard Nixon resigned during the summer of 1974. We got stoned to the gills, and watched the president we hated go down in shame and defeat. I loved thinking of the pain and humiliation all those idiot Republicans were feeling at the time. :D:p:cheers2:
     
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    That's a very good point, and makes me feel very optimistic about the next couple of weeks....

    Hopefully Christian conservatives will look at how she actually USES religion, and not just that she is supposedly Christian. Certainly, as a Christian myself, I don't have much respect for a woman who invokes God in her hopes that Alaska will build a $30 billion gas pipeline...

    "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that..."

    Yeah, I think he has better things to do than destroy a national treasure, Mrs. Palin.:rolleyes:
     
  8. The Scribe

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    I am Christian too. Indeed, I went to church this morning. :) However, I dislike the way the Republican Party exploits the worship of God in order to serve mammom.

    Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

    Luke 16:13 "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. "
     
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    The debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin is this Thursday. The GOP does not have much time to avoid this train wreck, as Palin runs the Republican train off the rail. :D:cool::D
     
  10. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Nope. Vagina is the new black.
     
  11. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    They're both idiots, which is lucky, because most americans are idiots, hence why they have a good chance at winning.
     
  12. The Scribe

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    I am an American, but I am afraid you're right. Do most people in Austrailia think the same way you do?
     
  13. Lady of the Freaks

    Lady of the Freaks Senior Member

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    what difference does it make really? the fact that he selected her to begin with is proof enough that he's not fit to lead the country. can you imagine what his cabinet will be like?
     
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    The scary thing is that he's old enough to die in office and have her replace him, how awesome would that be?
    We're not so different, you and I...except I get mugged by crackheads instead of marsupials.
     
  15. lode

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    That's a cop out. There were plenty of qualified women in the GOP for McCain to ask. Olympia Snow, Kay Bailey Hutchison.

    He chose a one and a half year Governor from a State with less people than the City I live in.

    She's tried to fire a librarian for not banning books,

    She welcomed the Secessionist leader of the ASL with the phrase keep up the good work, to which he gave the speech, "The fires of hell are as icebergs compared to my hatred of the United States."

    Before being Governor her only job was being Mayor of a town of 7,000 for 2 years in which she ran up $20 million dollars of debt.

    She fired a commissioner for not firing her brother in law, a state trooper.

    And my favorite. She supported the Bridge to Nowhere.

    Shes incompetent to serve as Mayor of Wasilla. By no means should this lady actually stand a chance to be the President.
     
  16. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    Ok first of you need to understand that I hate her... alot...
    but here are some of the things about Palin Fact check says are not true about Palin...

    We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.
    Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.

    She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

    She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

    Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

    Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."
    We'll be looking into other charges in an e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.

    Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by Kilkenny. Only one of the claims – about the librarian's firing – was similar to an item in that e-mail. We regret the error.

    Clarification: The summary originally said that Palin "tripled" per-student funding. The bill Palin signed will triple per-student funding for what Alaska calls "intensive needs" students, but has not done so yet. We also reworded that sentence to make clear the tripling is for funding for special needs students with particularly high costs. Special needs funding overall increased as well.
     
  17. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    Actually if you read on about the book thing on Factcheck... it's a little more in depth than that and maybe a bit more disturbing...

    One accusation claims then-Mayor Palin threatened to fire Wasilla’s librarian for refusing to ban books from the town library. Some versions of the rumor come complete with a list of the books that Palin allegedly attempted to ban. Actually, Palin never asked that books be banned; no books were actually banned; and many of the books on the list that Palin supposedly wanted to censor weren't even in print at the time, proving that the list is a fabrication. The librarian was fired, but was told only that Palin felt she didn’t support her. She was re-hired the next day. The librarian never claimed that Palin threatened outright to fire her for refusing to ban books.

    It’s true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla’s librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman (Wasilla’s local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons' story, telling the Chicago Tribune that "Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' "

    Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as “rhetorical,” noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." Actually, true rhetorical questions have implied answers (e.g., “Who do you think you are?”), so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library’s shelves.

    Palin initially requested Emmons’ resignation, along with those of Wasilla’s other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons’ firing, but said she didn’t feel she had Emmons’ support. The decision caused “a stir” in the small town, according to a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, “city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter.”

    As we’ve noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don’t know if Emmons’ resistance to Palin’s questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons’ firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn’t any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian’s backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned.

    So what about that list of books targeted for banning, which according to one widely e-mailed version was taken “from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board”? If it was, the library board should take up fortune telling. The list includes the first four Harry Potter books, none of which had been published at the time of the Palin-Emmons conversations. The first wasn't published until 1998. In fact, the list is a simple cut-and-paste job, snatched (complete with typos and the occasional incorrect title) from the Florida Institute of Technology library Web page, which presents the list as “Books banned at one time or another in the United States.”

    Update, Sept. 9: We have revised this section dealing with accusations that Palin wanted to ban books from Wasilla's library to include more detail about what transpired at the time.
     
  18. duckandmiss

    duckandmiss Pastafarian

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    Sorry bout the length...

    If McCain replaced his VP pick that would be the end of his campaign... he would never do that... I feel like that would be political suicide of the highest order...

    He's been selling a particular bills of goods for a while now... he can't just change the product right before the auction.
     
  19. lode

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    Also she made sure women had to pay for Rape Kits as Mayor of Wasilla.
     
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    Alaskan SESA funding 2007, 2008.

    2007: http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf

    2008: http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf
     

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