Why isn't Hunter Biden in prison yet?

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  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I understand your thinking process. I just don't agree with it nor think much of it.
     
  2. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I dont want to see these guys in prison. I do want to see abusive practices exposed and to see the partisan nature of the MSM and Federal Gvmt. exposed as well.

    How nice that the statute of limitations was allowed to expire on some of the charges.

    They can still be convicted in the court of public opinion.

    The cult-like quality of todays political extremists is on full display.

    Seems that Jan 6th did not break the Trumpster Cult. The Biden shenanigans are not affecting the "Our Democracy Cult" as well.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The media has always been bias.

    What's important is not that any media outlet is bias, what's important is that they report the truth.
    For example any media outlet may lean to the left or right, or any other way as long as what they report is true. They may neglect certain facts or report some facts more than others, but they shouldn't lie.
    A Republican outlet may report on scandals involving Democrats and ignore Republican scandals. But they can't, or shouldn't make up lies about Democrats.
    And vice versa.

    Same with the federal government. It should report the truth, but may withhold certain facts for the good of the nation. It may even legitimately lie to protect certain things or operations. For example in 1862 Lincoln made a secret trip to West Point, unannounced to the public. It would have been perfectly appropriate for the government to lie and report that he was in Washington even though he was traveling to West Point in order to protect him from assassins.
     
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  4. Coachdb18

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    The MSM reported, in collusion with the FBI an the DOJ, that the laptop was 'Russian disinformation'. That was a lie

    The MSM reported, in collusion with the FBI and the DOJ, that there were 51 former intelligence officials who signed a letter that the Russian hoax against Trump was real. It was not.

    The MSM reported, in collusion with the FBI and the DOJ, as well as the WH, that the bribery memos were fraudulent. They've been vetted and are real

    That's just a warm-up, for starters...

    It's a two tiered system, and as long as a crook, a thief, a liar and a senile octogenarian serving as President is allowed to operate from both civil and government sanctioned coverups, our country will be a third world shithole.
     
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  5. scratcho

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    Various Russian officials have admitted working on imposing on American elections since 2014.:cool:
     
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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well, you make a few accusations here so let's unpack them.

    First of all so that I am not making unwarranted assumptions I need you to clarify a few things.
    Just what is the MSM? Is that the mainstream media? If so I need you to tell me just what the "MSM" is.
    Please provide me with a list of all members of this "MSM".
    Next I need to know who on this list, if not all, reported "that the laptop was 'Russian disinformation'."
    Then I need to know the specific details of the report(s).
    Please use this format:
    On month/day/year, XYZ news agency reporter Joe or Jane Doe reported, and I quote, " Blah, blah, blah Hunter Biden's laptop, 'Russian disinformation'" and provide a source of the quote in a link.
    I need the exact quote as sometimes reports are said to be verified by some means or another, or suspected, alleged, unconfirmed, rumored, anonymous, etc. All of which effects the report.
    Please provide the quotes for each member of the "MSM" on the list that you will provide me that made this "the laptop was 'Russian disinformation'" report(s).

    Second, as you made three separate accusations, all of which will take considerable time to discuss in full. I'll just address the first one at present.
    I already asked for the "MSM" quotes regarding "the laptop was 'Russian disinformation'." So I'll look at those when you provide them.
    Right now I'd like to move onto the collusion with the FBI and DOJ charge. Which again I will assume refers to the governmental agencies that go by those acronyms.
    Please provide me with proof of this collusion. That is a link to some study, investigation, court ruling, conviction, reliable source, document, email, phone call record, etc. that supports this claim you're making. Where has collusion been proven, or is it just a theory of a conspiracy to collude? That is an unproven conspiracy theory.
    Then if you can prove collusion I need you to show me, prove, that this collusion was a wilful act a deception aimed at deluding the public for some nefarious reason. I need you to do this becasue we know, and you as a veteran must know, that yes the government does ask the media to withhold or hide certain information or even lie about or distort certain information for various reason such as national security or the protection of spys, government employees, nation defense, etc. That's why we have secret documents. So that let's say this "MSM" group you talk about finds out that we have developed some secret weapon, (I'm reminded of a top secret blimp that crashed near my home a few years back). If the FBI and DOJ ask the "MSM" to not report what they found out about that weapon as it may lead to the death of American or allied citizens, a breach of defensive or offensive capabilities, panic of the populace or commercial enterprises such as Wall Street, etc. Are you implying that the public has a right to know everything? If not, then I need you to show proof of a wilful act of deception on the part of the "MSM" and the FBI and DOJ to deceive the public for political or personal ends in regards to Hunter Biden's laptop.
    If you think the public needs to know everything the government knows then I wish you luck if you ever have to take up arms again in defense of our country.

    Third. If you can provide me with these quotes from the 'MSM" and they do indeed turn out to be outright lies, or misinformation, or errors, unfounded rumors, etc. Has the "MSM' issued any retractions? If so please provide a list, with a link, to those "MSM" outlets that provided retractions, updates, etc. and those who have not. That is, what "MSM" outlets are still reporting these lies that you have been confirmed. And BTW, who has confirmed that they are lies. Please provide links to the confirmations.

    Fourth, are there any outlets not on your "MSM" list that reported the same or similar thing. ("the laptop was 'Russian disinformation'.") If so could you provide me with a list of who they are and exactly what they reported in the format I mentioned above?

    Thanks, after you provide this information I'll comment on the merit of your accusations.
    Maybe you're right.

    Then we can move on to you other accusations about 51 officials, bribery, crooks, liars, senility, and governmental sanctioned coverups.
     
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  7. Coachdb18

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    This is not a scavenger hunt, and I am not your teacher, nor are you the uninformed student. All of the things you 'seek' are already available to you, were you willing to see. But you're not. Tangent after tangent after tangent...... what you would like is to do is deflect the fire department from the 12 alarm blaze it's here to fight by sending the fire department out to get a library card, and tell them you want a full report on the history of taxation and the funding and provisioning of worldwide firefighting. When you really don't want to see something, you are expert as not seeing anything at all.
     
  8. scratcho

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    Do you see that trump is a consummate liar, a lifelong grifter, a serial sexual predator, a vindictive, childish person on the level of a 5th grader with his constant criticisms of those who disagree with him---a true braggart and narcissistic blowhard? A man that doesn't give a whit about democracy?? Can you see these facts clearly? Or are YOU the one that can't see anything at all?
     
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  9. MeAgain

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    So you feel free to make accusations that you can't back up!

    Indeed it isn't a scavenger hunt, all I asked for was your sources, the rational, and the facts; but you aren't willing to reveal them. Or you don't have the time! Plenty of time to accuse someone of something though.
    You make accusations and expect me to do the research to back them up or disprove them!

    I'm not asking to be taught anything, I'm asking for facts, just the facts.
    Got any?

    If you don't want to be seen as just another haywire conspiracy theorist I would think you would be more than happy to share your knowledge of these collusions, briberys, lying, etc.
    I'm giving you your chance to prove that you're right. Surely you don't expect me to just take your word for all this stuff?
    I won't expect you to believe anything post just becasue I say it's true, so why would I give you a free pass?
     
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  10. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    Or to be seen as just another lying MAGA cultist; maliciously regurgitating whatever lies he's programmed to parrot by hate radio and Faux News; a lying reich-wing troll completely devoid of even a shred of integrity, for whom facts don't matter.

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  11. scratcho

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    Ooooooo--don't mess with coach--he's in Mensa, which he so effusively mentioned when I struck a nerve. You'd think a Mensa member wouldn't be so susceptible to cult behavior.:confused:
     
  12. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    BAAAAAAAAA!
     
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  13. scratcho

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    To quote the coach: "it's a two tiered system and as long as a crook, a thief and liar and a senile octogenarian serving as president is allowed to operate from both civil and government sanctioned coverups, our country will be a third world shit hole."

    Well said ,coach. I couldn't have described Herr Trump much better than you have . ( although you forgot grifter, serial female assaulter, a narcissistic , mentally ill midget--well--maybe I could describe him better than you.):cool:
     
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  14. Coachdb18

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    So why do you think the WH destroyed visitor logs of Hunter's co-conspirators?
    Why do you think the FBI at first denied the existence of the 1023, then redacted an unclassified document, then denied a congressional subpoena to see it, requiring viewing only in a SCIF?
    Why do you think the FBI kept the laptop on a shelf for 5 years, then denied it existed, then claimed it was 'Russian disinformation'?
    Why do you think the charges against Hunter were a mere wristslap for felonies involving tax fraud and weapons charges (two tiered justice)

    The entire effort on the crimes of the Biden mafia are directed to denial, diversion and disinform. There can't be a trial, nor an informed public so long as we continue to have a weaponized DOJ, weaponized FBI, weaponized WH and a soviet style media disinformation campaign with direct and flagrant MSM integration.

    The entire enterprise is now seriously compromised, and at least half the nation totally distrusts anything coming out of this government, and the other half choses to shield their eyes.
    The entire compromised government is making the claim of American freedom a joke.
     
  15. Coachdb18

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    Last post like this I'll have to see, you're now on ignore
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    You expect me to answer you when you haven't addressed my concerns about your last post?

    You accuse me of going off on tangents yet you won't give us any information to support your last claims and attempt to introduce new concerns, without any links, sources, quotes, etc.?

    How about we deal with one thing at a time?
     
  17. Tishomingo

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    Some Mensas are sociopaths and most Retrumplicans are assholes. For all we know "Coach" could be George Santos. Mensas seem to be plagued by a disproportionate share of mental disorders. Bad News for the Highly Intelligent
    What Are the Hazards of Having a High IQ?
     
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  18. Tishomingo

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    Welcome to the club, Scratch. Soon he's gonna have us all on that list, and he'll be talkin' to himself. Next come the straitjacket and padded cell.
     
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  19. Tishomingo

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    You seem to be expert at question dodging. MeAgain asked you for sources and evidence to back up you claims. SOP in any rational discussion, don't you think?
     
  20. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    He doesn't post his sources because (A) "alternative facts" don't come with citations, (B) verifiable facts don't matter, and/or (C) he doesn't want to get laughed at.
     
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