Why Isn't Homosexuality Considered A Disorder On The Basis Of Its Medical Consequence

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  1. French Affair

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    By Kathleen Melonakos, M.A., R.N.

    I worked as an RN for several years during the eighties and nineties at Stanford University Medical Center, where I saw some of the damage homosexuals do to their bodies with some of their sexual practices. As a result of that eye-opening experience, I much admire the work of NARTH in the research and treatment of homosexuality.

    I have long been concerned about the serious medical consequences which result from the gay-affirming attitudes that predominate in the San Francisco Bay Area. For example, I knew personally a prominent dermatologist, a dentist, an engineer, and a hairdresser that died in their mid-forties of infectious diseases related to their homosexual behavior patterns. I know of many others that have died young as a result of living a gay lifestyle.

    The co-author of my own medical reference book, Saunders Pocket Reference for Nurses, was the head of the surgery department at Stanford. She related case histories of homosexuals needing emergency surgery due to "fisting," "playing with toys," (inserting objects into the rectum) and other bizarre acts. I am certain--in light of my clinical experience, and since doing considerable amount of studying about it since that time--that homosexuality is neither normal nor benign; rather, it is a lethal behavioral addiction as Dr. Jeffrey Satinover outlines in his book, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth.[ii]

    As far as I know, there is no other group of people in the United States that dies of infectious diseases in their mid-forties except practicing homosexuals. This, to me, is tragic, when we know that homosexuality can be prevented, in many cases, or substantially healed in adulthood when there is sufficient motivation and help.

    I now live in Delaware and work in conjunction with the Delaware Family Foundation to inform the public about homosexual issues. We are debating gay activists who want to add "sexual discrimination" to our anti-discrimination code. In trying to make the case that homosexuality is not healthy and should not be encouraged, we come up against the fact that neither the American Psychiatric Association, nor the American Psychological Association recognize it as a disorder. Our opponents say we are using "scare tactics."

    Dr. Satinover brilliantly laid out in his book, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth the solid, irrefutable evidence that there are lethal consequences of engaging in the defining features of male homosexuality--that is, promiscuity and anal intercourse.

    Can anyone refute that increased morbidity and mortality is an unavoidable result of male-with-male sex--not to mention the increased rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, depression, suicide and other maladies that so often accompany a homosexual lifestyle?[v] People with this whole cluster of behavior patterns are somehow "normal"?

    My primary question is: why isn't homosexuality considered a disorder on the basis of its medical consequences alone? Dr. Satinover and others have made a solid case for why homosexuality parallels alcoholism as an unhealthy addiction. It should have a parallel diagnosis.


    the homosexuals who shove their evil lifestyle in our childrens faces are actually putting their lives at risk by tempting them into a lifestyle which will most likely eventually kill them - the homosexualisation of America will kill our future generations. when will patriotic Americans put a stop to this?
     
  2. SelfControl

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    Largely untrue or subjectivity presented as fact. The bit I'll pick on for now is the claim that "when we know that homosexuality can be prevented, in many cases, or substantially healed in adulthood when there is sufficient motivation and help." What is being described is the supression of one's instinctive sexual urges, which is seen in psychology as one of the most damaging things a person can do. For a medical practitioner to recommend this is quite disturbing.

    As for the rest of it, promiscuity and anal intercourse are fairly prevalent in heterosexuals as well, and many homosexuals do not indulge in either. Are they then exempt from your loathing? I somehow doubt this.

    If you plan to offer any intelligent defense of your thread, feel free to use the post function to respond on the forum.
     
  3. Snowdancer

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    I'll take on your comment "not to mention the increased rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, depression, suicide and other maladies that so often accompany a homosexual lifestyle"

    Where the heck are you getting your data? Of the GLBT folks I've known I have to say that there is no higher rate of substance abuse than any other group. I also have known 5 people in my years who have done themselves in purposely. All were heterosexual. I have heard of GLBT people committing suicide but it was because they couldn't take the harassment from small minded fools any more.

    OK, I can't pass this by either. You say "As far as I know, there is no other group of people in the United States that dies of infectious diseases in their mid-forties except practicing homosexuals." How about cancer, hypertension, infertility, preterm delivery, stillbirth, low birth weight, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), lower bone density, nuclear cataracts of the lens of the eye, Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, Coronary heart disease and stroke, Periodontitis, Peptic ulcers, higher rates of upper and lower respiratory tract infections, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, asthma? Not all of these are infectious, at least themselves but let infectious things in more easily. All of these are caused by tobacco use though. Nationally, smoking results in more than 5.6 million years of potential life lost each year. An estimated, 22.5% of all adults (46 million people) smoke cigarettes in the United States. That's a pretty big number, French Affair.

    Again I think you need to do your homework better. Better yet. How about you quit bothering us with dismiss-able blather that you regurgitate from some hate mongering talking head.
     
  4. gertie

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    french affair... what fills your heart and spirit with such hate?
     
  5. peacefuljeffrey

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    I don't think it's hate so much as it is misguided self-righteousness masquerading as altruistic concern. It's probably born of some religious fundamentalist beliefs.

    I am heterosexual. But I understand that if homosexuality were considered "the norm," there's no way I'd be able to -- or willing to -- be "cured" of my heterosexuality. I also have a foot fetish that I would not wish to be "cured" of.

    The assertion that homosexual sex is necessarily, axiomatically dangerous is a specious claim. Nothing about the actual mechanics of homosexual sex is specifically, intrinsically dangerous. YES, promiscuity coupled with unprotected sex is dangerous. But that is not exclusive to homosexuality. What French Affair should be opposed to is promiscuity, not specifically homosexuality, since homosexuality does not have a lock, by any means, on dangerous or risky sexual behavior or "lifestyles." There are heteros who die of autoerotic asphyxiation, for example. Heteros also die of diseases caught from unprotected intercourse.

    If you could prove that this was just about the actual sex that gays have, French, that'd be one thing. But so far there is nothing in what you say that points exclusively to them. Yes, there may be fact in observations of death rates due to certain causes, but again, that is behaviorally caused, not caused by the mechanics of gay sex.

    -Jeffrey
     
  6. SelfControl

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    A lot of the argument is founded on no understanding of homosexual behaviour. Citing examples of "fisting," "playing with toys," (inserting objects into the rectum) and other bizarre acts." proves it. These activities are a) not exclusive to homosexuals at all, and b) not an especially common practise among homosexuals. Moreover, "inserting objects into the rectum" is often less damaging to the anus than vaginal penetration is to the vagina. Sex causes damage.

    The Christian faith invests a hell of a lot of money in telling Africans that condoms contains microscopic holes which allow AIDS to flow through it, and that rather than use contraception they should just be abstainent. If you wanted proof that the Church causes death on a massive scale through its unwillingness to understand human, then there it is.
     
  7. Synaptic Ether

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    one could say the same thing about psychedelics if all you see is medical consequences and 'mishaps' of uneducated users
     
  8. neckienoo

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    Anyone that has unprotected sexual contact with multiple partners leaves themselves open for a sexually transmitted disease. Homosexuality is not a disorder. Why isn't being a closed minded witch considered a disorder....?
     
  9. SelfControl

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    Because liberals are obligated to respect other people's viewpoints, whereas republicans are not.
     
  10. meishka

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    leave the men alone!! when are you gonna attack the women?! is it because men aren't afraid of their rectums? are you so afraid that you're too afraid to wipe your on ass in fear of possible penetration? now dig up that article of lesbians or are you into them and wouldn't dream of that
     
  11. meishka

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    but i have to say he is persistant. he tries really hard. but it'll never change anyone
     
  12. Taylor

    Taylor Repatriated

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    he tries hard.... and fails... silly little rabbit. go home.
     
  13. LogsOnSticks

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    Kudos to you for supporting your arguement and opinions with facts.

    However, these facts are VERY poorly constructed.

    You know, there are worst conditions and actions to deal with right now.
    Instead of wasting your time on trying to miraculously convert our lifestyle that causes no intended harm to others, take a look at the rest of the world.

    Every form of sex has its risks, but these are risks we are willing to take in order to maintain and fulfill a happy life for ourselves.
     
  14. Epiphany

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    Freud had a great theory on, "Confusion of gender identity", during the phallic stage.
     
  15. SelfControl

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    Of course you can't bring logic to some Christians, because they support most of their facts from the Bible, refusing to consider any other options...

    But, not all Christians are like that, either.
    I'm sure not, and that little questionaire thing is not the basis of our religion.

    I consider Christianity to be categorized into two types of Christians:

    1) There's the Bible thumpers, interpreting everything in their life from the Bible and the Church.

    2) And then, there are those who approach Christianity spiritually, personally developing their relationship with God one on one, which I personally find to be the most enlightening.

    This could actually apply to almost any religion, though...
     
  17. Sera Michele

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    My mother in law is a lesbian, and a christian. She believes in god, and goes to church. The bible-thumpers are the christian opinions you are going to hear the most, because those people are the loudest.

    Anyway, I think that the biggest (and only) disorder around homosexuality is homophobia. We should figure out how to treat that.
     
  18. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    Did you also happen to notice all the teenage pregnancies and all the mothers who die while giving birth (obviously having nothing to do with homosexuality)?

    I know a couple people who are sick from infectious diseases that were caused by heterosexual fornication.


    lmao... I have found "toys" in my friend's mom's bedroom (obviously she's not gay, she's a mom and married).

    Bullshit. Everyone can become infected by an std of some sort by having any kind of sex, heterosexual or homosexual, and die from it.

    How is it not discrimination? You refuse to accept them because they are different. This is no different than what the blacks went through no less than 40 years ago. Not 50 years ago it was illegal for blacks to marry whites... sound familiar?

    I know quite a few people round these parts who are straight (homophobic at that), that suffer from all the things you just mentioned. And I, and it seems like everyone else here, has heard nothing of these studies.

    Why not go after all types of unprotected sex?

    I can name two gay tv shows on tv. After 10, I can't name anymore straight tv shows. Homosexuality being rubbed in our faces? Bullshit.
    And no one is forced into being homosexual, it's a person's choice to do what they want. Ever hear the phrase "live and let live"? You should try it.
     
  19. gertie

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    i agree with soulrebel51. its nice when people are willing to stand up against those without common sense.
     
  20. MSman

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    No response. That is something.
     
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