Why I hate macs

Discussion in 'Computers and The Internet' started by dodger988, May 6, 2007.

  1. dodger988

    dodger988 Member

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    1. Even less control than Windows. The whole reason geeks love Linux is that it allows you ultimate control of your computer. You can customize it to run exactly as you want it. Windows allows you to custimize it too. Mac on the other hand tells you your too dumb to understand so it instead gives you some eye candy to distract you.

    2. They're way overpriced. I can get the same laptop with the same exact specs for 200 less from another builder.

    3. They mangled unix. I can't stand the fact that OSX used unix yet still seems simpleton. Why would you take a perfectly good OS like unix and screw it up with way too much visual candy.

    To be honest, I really think macs are way overhyped. People claim they're more secure. I would argue that this is only because they're less of a target. Mac OSX suffers from the same closed development that windows does and is thus inherently just as insecure. Also, I find all the eye candy offensive. I don't want eye candy, I want to be able to do exactly what I want without all the bullshit. Just my two cents.
     
  2. -moonshine-memi-

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    dont be a tool. your just jealous that my computer is sexy and yours isn't :p

    macs are just better.

    mac users swear by their computers. pc users swear at their computers.


    i have never had one problem with my sexy imac. and it never freezes or does any of that program not responding shit.
    i dread having to use computers at school coz they end up making so frustrated that i have to walk away.
     
  3. ewomack

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    I have used both Windows and Mac extensively and I see little difference between the two. Both have very similar operating systems and perform very similar functions when you get down to it. Macs have cooler designs and they have that "outsider" aura about them (which results from Apple's marketing). My macs have frozen and broken down just as much as my Windows machines. But when that happens, service for the Macs is usually much much harder to find and is way more expensive than for Windows.

    Public computers aren't a good standard to judge. They get overused and abused by multiple users. Personal machines don't get the same abuse. I know people who work in libraries that have Macs and Windows as their base machines. Both report the same problems overall, but the Mac library spends a lot more on support and maintenance. With funding cuts coming, they are looking at changing to a Windows environment.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I've use both in my graphics work and I tend to agree on one point. I don't like the way the Mac OS assumes it knows better what I want to do with my own files. It hides and blocks access to files and their organization. They are pretty though.

    I've also had Macs crash and they are harder to repair simply because they make it hard for the human to have any control over anything but preapproved permissions.
     
  5. dodger988

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    I've never sworn at my PC. If my PC is screwed up, I know full well it's my own doing. I guess that's the difference between me and most other computer users. I take ownership of whatever problems occur on my computer.
     
  6. -moonshine-memi-

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    i am on my friends new vista lap top as we speak and i am getting so frustrated at the stupid thing. its takes like 5 mins once i click on the explorer button for it to pop up and then another 5 mins before it actually loads to a page. and not its not her internet connection. she is a geek and has some fast form of internet. and its jyst so annoying.

    once you go mac you never go back.

    i know i neer used to be this mac orrientated i used fo not car about the difference. but after owning a mac and using it 10 hours a day most days of thr week. going to anything other is like going from a dove to a friken budgie.

    bad analogy i apologised i am slightly drunk and slightly stoned so all i am thinking about right now is food and more drink.

    but okay. i do a lot of film and media design etc. my mac has never failed me. i have had it well over a year and it has never needed a service. it runs as good as it did the first day i got it.,, beisdes the stickers i stuck on it.
    it was more expensive to buy that a windows but the benifits have well out numbered the $$

    seriously. this things is so retarded. it asks me all these stupid questions and its so obviously copied the layout of a mac.
    macs are more simplier and much more effective in usage of document storage and stuff.

    i cant think of words. its just. arg. windows is too much of a corporation.

    i really am now out of my depth. i just know one thing

    macs are better than pc's

    and noone will ever change my mind about that. and you cant say "oh i used a mac before and it was no different" unless you actually play round and USE it for more than 5 mins you have no idea what the fuck you are missing out on.

    oh wow.
    sorry for the rant.
     
  7. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    OS X is definately the better OS, but they both have their place. I have both XP and OS X on my computer. It's a Mac, but you can still install both and boot into whichever you choose on startup. I have used both Windows XP (and 98) and OS X extensively. I must say that OS X is the better system. And I have no idea what you mean about OS X not letting you make your own decisions. If anything, I'd say Windows is more guilty of that. But you can configure either one to do what you want, with a little knowhow. As far as security goes, OS X is definitely superior. XP is getting better, but it can't yet rival the security and efficiency of a Unix-based system.

    That being said, I almost exclusively use XP on this machine, because I do a lot of work with programs that run only on Windows. It's just easier to stay here most of the time. But if I ever need to do any serious work, like video or image editing, I'll switch over to OS X. I have also observed that XP runs better on this machine than it does on a regular Windows box.
     
  8. Adderall_Assasin

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    1. True when the user is a normal person. OSX is designed to be minimalist but it can be changed if you know how to.

    2. i wouldnt say they are way overpriced. you might find better deals on nearly the same hardware but OSX is fast, even with all the graphical stuff. you cant put OSX on another computer, but you can put windows on a mac.

    3. a lot of Unix users like the minimalist approach. i am a Unix/Linux user and my Linux system is pretty minimalist. and surprisingly, the visual candy doesnt bog the system down.

    Mac OSX does not suffer from closed developement like windows. they actually release the source code and kernel as opensource. sure they took an open unix system and made money off it. but it isnt like they didnt contribute back to the community. all that hard work and development costs is available free, just like the unix system in OSX.

    and trust me, OSX is much more secure. just to start, OSX is a real operating system and windows is not.

    i hope that cleared some things up for ya. tty
     
  9. dodger988

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    Open source code does not mean open development. Just cause I can see the source code dosen't mean I can improve it.
     
  10. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    How do you figure?
     
  11. dodger988

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    IDK, the more I think about the more I do realize that macs have a place. If you think about it, while they may not drive new technology so much, they do refine things quite well. So yeah, I give up with this argument. Don't rag on me too bad. ;)
     
  12. -moonshine-memi-

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    HA! yes.

    i am gonna take a pic of me with my sexy mac and post it on here someday.
     
  13. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    I'm proud of you, m'boy. That took a lot of courage.
     
  14. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

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    your a good guy dodger. i always relate this kinda discussions to politics. someone is always right/wrong no matter what side they choose. and we could argue about it all day long and never change each others mind.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    My last experience with a Mac was OS8, I am glad it's improved.
     
  16. Nalencer

    Nalencer Dig Yourself

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    Anything before OS X is unusable crap. If it was a choice between OS 8/9 and XP, XP wins hands down.
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Someday when I am flush maybe I'll give one of the newer Macs a test flight. They are pretty.
     
  18. Adderall_Assasin

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    i dont mean to rag anybody but i also dont want people to think the wrong things. so i just wanted to clear/solidify some facts about OSX being opensource. Mac releases the opensource version of OSX under the name Darwin.

    Here is a wiki briefly explaining Darwin:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
    This says that Darwin now meets the requirments of the Open Source Definition.

    Here is a brief overview of the Open Source Definition and a rough list of requierments:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Definition
    Most importantly are numbers 2 and 3. it says that the source code must be free and available and also that modifications to the source code must be allowed and meet the same liscens as the original code.

    i figured i would put some supported facts out that Mac does release its source code to the public for free and that it is modifiable. the only parts of OSX that arent released are the window manager related pieces. this is the parts that make OSX look the way it does and does not affect the actual operating system, libraries, kernel, structure, tools, etc.

    Hope things are cleared up a little. i think that mac is pretty fair about the way they do things.
     
  19. Adderall_Assasin

    Adderall_Assasin Senior Member

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  20. tommyhot

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    I ditched Windows 8 years ago and never looked back. Macs and Linux for me!
     

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