Why Doesn't The Left Get More Credit?

Everything the left said about the VietNam war was correct.
The huge build-up by LBJ was based on a cia lie--The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident. "The U.S. should kill lots of Asians because of what N. Vietnam did", they said.
Except the Incident was made up; it never happened. That was proven by The Pentagon Papers. A fake attack and fear campaign designed to get the U.S. public support a war. We had to help the Vietnamese people our gov't said, and train the S. VietNam army to defend themselves. If the "commie's" won, then all of S.E. Asia would choose communism (the "domino theory") and then invade/harm us, they swore.
It worked.
I was one of the first of the anti-VietNam war protesters. The first march I participated (outside the draft board in Downey, Calif.) was attended by 8 people (inc. me & a friend). Our signs advocated NOT sending Americans to die in the jungle.
People threw stuff at us, said things like "go back to Russia", called us anti-American.
1.5 million--2 million deaths (inc. 100,000+ U.S. casualties) and billions of $$$ later, we left.
What did the U.S. accomplish in VietNam?
The left was correct. We should have never waged war there in the first place.

Fast forward to the 21st century. Saddam still had some of the WMD we sold him, bushco told us.
Intitually bush said "Let the inspectors in".
Saddam said ok.
bush said "they need unrestricted access, inc. to saddam's bedroom".
Saddam said ok.
After the inspectors found no WMD, bush said we needed to kill Iraqi's anyway.
The left said "Wait a second, no WMD were found."
bush said "fuck you".
The left warned that Iraq could become another VietNam.
No way said jr.
On the eve of the war to "kick saddam out", he offered to step down.
"Fuck you" jr. said, "we've already loaded our guns."
The bush's disregard of the Iraqi people is well-documented. According to U.N. estimates, 1.5 million Iraqi's died from starvation/malnutrition and restricted accesss to medicine, imposed upon them by the US-led/supported embargo.
So it wasn't WMD, and it wasdn't to kick saddam out, and it wasn't over concern for the Iraqi people.
What does that leave?

The left was correct.

 

It wasn't just the Left. There were many on the Right who were saying the exact same thing. The problem is you're going based on everything you saw and heard presented in the mainstream media and nothing else.

 

You're wrong.
I lived during the VietNam war, and talked to people, like my cousin, who was stationed there.
And I pay very little attention to the mainstream media.

 

I find it interesting that group sizes of protests were about proportionate then to now


year for year in the decade, and yet so many people ask where the protest movement is.....



same place it was, waiting for the tet offensive to move it's ass, waiting for chicago to enrage youth, waiting for mlk and bobby kennedy to martyr themselves for the movement



sorry for hijacking your thread..... I shall be gone with this idea for now.....

 

I agree with you. Its because the left is a threat to the ruling class, who are ultiamtaley in control of the big media corportaions.

 

If anything, the Left plays into the hands of the ruling class. This might also explain why the Power Elite is primarily of the socialist Left. The "big media corporations" are controlled by the socialist Left, not the conservative Right.

 

Maybe they don't want credit. And by left what exactly do you mean anyway? I don't think it is as simplistic as you make it. Come on, if you are trying to make a point for the left try to sound a little more intelligent.

 

Rat: explain that comment, please. Which media corps, and who controls them? Do they do this by holding a large amount of shares, or by having seats on the board? Or using illuminati space-rays?

 

damn space rays.

 

wow...

 

oh yeh lets remember all those socialsits at fox news and cnn. Yes youc an rise in the class system but there's a huge advantage in starting at the top. Most of the ruling class didnt get there by being self made, they were born as sons or daughters of rich people. Capitalism still has bits of feudalism left in it.

 

The left and right have the same credit, it just depends on where you're standing when you look at it. they're both made to look like alternatives to eachother because its the same jerks anyway. You hear about the left being gay hippies so that it makes people more pro-america, and you hear how the right is neo-nazi conservatives, so that makes people more liberal hippie. What a perfect plan, the two party system.

 

Well, Skip, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you an admitted supporter of the New World Order?

I don't know what you mean by "Republigious tracts", and what I talk about doesn't come from what I learned in the public, socialist school system. It comes from extensive reading and research.

Ever heard of the John Birch Society, Skip? I might not agree with everything they believe in - especially in terms of their overt religious ideologies - but this was one group of the Right that has long been after exposing the truth behind world events and the controlled two-party political system.

I consider myself neither Right nor Left. I chose not to enslave myself with petty labels. However, it has always been the far Right that has been the most spot-on in understanding how the system truly works. Keep in mind, I am not referring to the neocon "Right" as it is known today. There is no such thing as true political conservatism in this country anymore. What we see today is rampant socialism, masked with phony religious rhetoric that is used to dupe the masses into thinking their president is "conservative." Looking at Bush's fiscal policy, he makes Clinton look like Barry Goldwater. Bush isn't a conservative in the least -- not that I am defending conservatism. I am simply trying to expose the FAKE political structure so many naively buy into.

The Left is against war - as am I - but many don't understand what war is really all about. They don't understand the hidden hand behind world events. The Left unknowingly plays right into the hands of big brother and tyranny, as they are unabashed supporters of big, bloated government. (Kind of like both the Democrats and Republicans: two sides to the same quarter.)

I am against war, partly because I don't agree with the idea of war - which are between governments, not people - but mostly because I understand how wars are nothing more than vehicles for the centralization of power, control and the enslavement of humanity. This includes every war since at least the Spanish-American War of 1898, and several before that.

Once you wake up to the fact that both parties are controlled, and that governments fund and orchestrate terrorist events to meet their own ends, the better off you'll be.

 

Many on the Right?!?

What, are you fucking nuts?!?

Or is this your idea of an obscene joke?!?

Where were the thousands of Right-Wing demonstrators against the war?!?

In your imagination, because they didn't exist.

I was there, and if it was up to the Right, we would be fighting against the Vietnamese today, only Vietnam would be a Nuclear waste-land.

Rat, you remind me of Hitler and the way he needed to re-write the history of World War I to blame the Left and deny the guilt of his precious White-Right.


The Media?

Like most White-America, those spineless wussies never questioned the racist war till almost the very end.

I give The Left full credit for the courage of standing up against that racist-war when NO one else would.

And I give the Right-Wing the full credit they deserve for yet again exposing the cowardliness of their racist latent homo-sexuality.

 

In this writer's opinion, we should never have become involved in Vietnam at all. But, regardless of how we got there, or who put us there, we are too deeply involved today to have any honorable way out except through victory. It should be our determination not to escalate this war, nor to prolong it, nor to muddle through it, but to win it.

Robert Welch (1967)​

Founder of the John Birch Society


Typical Conservative desire to escape war-guilt.
"I was against the war! But since we're in it, let's win it!!"

The Collectivism of Conformity.

 

Did I ever say I agree with Welch? Fuck, did I even say I agree with the ideologies of the JBS?

Did I say there were THOUSANDS of Right-wing "DEMONSTRATORS" against the war?

Why do you find it necessary to put words in people's mouths.

Hitler? Hitler was a patsy. An evil one, but a patsy nonetheless. Hitler didn't put himself into power. Hitler, like Bush, was just a goafer for forces far more sinister.

 

I'm asking YOU, Rat!

Where were all these 'many on the right who were against the war'?

Where were they, other than in your imagination, 'cause they sure weren't out there standing-up against the war!


Yeah, I know where they were! Living-out their racist homo-erotic impulses with the rest of your precious White-Male Establishment.

Preserving their precious bodily fluids from the Illuminatii's Communist floride conspiracy!

 

You mean fluoride, as in f-l-u-o-r-i-d-e?

No, I guess there weren't "many" on the Right who were against the war. Please excuse my miswording, I erred. There were SOME on the Right, and those SOME saw things more clearly than the MANY on the opposite end of the spectrum ever did. It was about more than just pacifism.

The moral of the story is that war is bad. We can both agree on that. It's just that some understood the inner workings of war better than the others. While the Left did a far better job protesting war, the Right (or, rather, the FAR Right) did a far better job at exposing the truth (or, rather, lies) behind war, even though it got far less attention.