why does everyone think acid is natural?

this is not a post to bash all lsd lovers, but seriously how come everyone thinks acid is like, something god put here and that we are meant to try it?? lots of people i know think its natural. its NOT natural. its a synthetic chemical DERIVED from a fungus on a flour grain. grains aren't natural either, they were cultivated my humans only about 10, 000 years ago which isn't even a percent of our total time on earth.
im only trying to help people out who might be thinking of taking it because they think its natural. secondly, not only is it sythesized in a lab CHEMICALLY, you wouldn't be able to make the fungus that potent in nature. so why do so many acid heads think its natural? this is meant to be a discussion not a big argument, because there is nothing to argue here, lsd is a synthesized chemical from a fungus on rye or flour grains, both of which are not natural.

 

ive never met anyone that thinks its natural and how are grains not natural? Arent grains seeds from plants?

 

I don't know of anyone that thinks LSD is natural

 

i apologize then. just the people i know all seem to think that humans are supposed to take it and stuff like that. i shouldn't of said everyone. i mispoke. about the grains thing, grains are naturally here, but they were cultivated by humans, thats when agriculture started and farming. also, if you were out in nature and you came across this fungus, and you put it in your mouth, your body's safety response mechanism is taste, so you would immediately spit it out because it fungus tastes so horrible. that's out body's way of saying, don't eat that. some food for thought
i should've said people like Timothy Leary, who become so morphed from taking so much they think they are "all knowing" and that they know the truth to things, when in reality this is the drug's effects on you

 

i see what youre syaing about rye and grain not being totally natural, but humans didnt cultivate the fungus that grows on them - thats entirely non-human influenced. obviously to get significant amounts of acid we need to cultivate ergot fungus to get enough ergotamine to convert to lsd, but thats akin to growing fields of marijuana, which is a 'god sent' thing (if you believe in this).

 

I would say that the closest argument I can give to it being "natural" is it's effects on the brain. From what I understand, LSD is like a key and your brain is a lock. This is to say that most of the LSD is metabolized before you are done tripping, yet you are still tripping. This could correspond with "Food of the Gods" by Terrence McKenna.

The other argument I could make (for the religous philosophers, of which I am neither), since God allowed us to create the technology, it is natural.

I dunno, both of these arguments are probably a stretch. Especially considering I am a science major with an almost compelted chemistry minor.

 

LSD's chemical structure is very similer to seritonin (a natural chemical in the brain). LSD just mocks the seritonins chemical signal; in the brain, but since it is not exactly like seritoinin, it doesn't send exactly the same signal. So i agree that LSD isn't a natural chemical in our body.

I think that not only lsd but all psychedelics just cause all of your brains energy and neurotransmission toward creativity. But since your brain is devoting all of this energy it is using towards creativity, it doesn't have as much for other cognitive functions. Like communication, not only with other people but also with yourself, can be extremely dirupted.

I think if you don't overdo it and us to much then you can use it to your advantage for creativity. To much of anything is bad.

 

is a beaver dam natural?

 

Most books classify it as semi-synthetic. Lysergic acid amine (LSA) is completely natural and occurs in a couple of plants and the base of the molecule is the same as LSD. Some chemists think that LSD maybe found in plants based on its structure and the way organic chemistry works, but that plant(s) just hasn't been found yet.

 

Taste and toxicity are unrelated. For instance, cyanide compounds are reputed to smell similar to cinnamon (smell makes up part of taste), but cyanide is certainly not safe.

Also, people DID eat the fungus, which was partially to blame for the witch crazes. And all sorts of nasty tasting foods are healthy.

What about people who are high on power? or who judge others without attempting to understand them (yourself, for instance)? is your truth any better? why?

 

Bussel Sprouts, and Cabbage taste nasty to me. That must obviously be bad for me. Yet why does it taste good to others?

Taste isn't a safety mechanism you just can taste. If anything it's something that will make you eat, because you like the taste. It doesn't taste horrible, because it's bad for you either. It taste horrible, because that's the structure of it, and that's how it is.

Also you speak of god, so therefore i'm going to go into this. God gave us a brain to make things. He gave us the elements to make what we can. How we use it is what makes it wrong.

 

cyanide smells like almonds apparently. or vice versa, however youd like to look at it.

however, while there are poisons that dont taste or smell half bad, there tend to be few plants that taste universally bad but are good for you.


as for timothy leary, i dont think it matters at all what he thinks he knows, all that matters is whether what he says makes sense to people. people didnt follow him because HE thought he knew everything, they followed him because what he SAID made them believe he knew at least enough to help them learn something about theirselves and their worlds. and that is the case of everyone, it doesnt matter whether a drug makes someone think they know something, all that matters is what they can teach someone else, and if the other person learns something, then the person NECESSARILY did know something and it wasnt the drug.

 

to the poster above: actually most distasteful foods are bad for us, and its not just caus they are, its because our bodies have adapted (or were created) to reject foods too rich in certain chemicals that are most likely to be bad for us. brussel sprouts happen to be packed with good chemicals but its those chemicals that just happen to be structurally similar to poisons. but notice that brussel sprouts are common food even if kids dont like them. unlike poison berries that most people spit out. or unripe tomatoes or something

 

If you've dropped acid you should know why people think you're supposed to take it. To trip on acid is to return "home," to return to "The All." Psilocybin has this effect as well, and it is natural. DMT does too, and it is very natural, in fact it is produced in the human brain. Obviously acid isn't as natural as an apple, but the whole concept of "natural" is completely bogus anyway. Last I checked, acid consisted of atoms, the building block of all matter. Just because humans put something together doesn't mean it's any less "natural." For all we know, there is a plant millions of lightyears away on which LSD containing plants grow everywhere. The concept of what is "natural" falls apart very quickly when one considers the grand scheme of things.

 

I didn't follow that completely, but I'm pretty sure the spirit of your post is right on target

 

I have to disagree with you about edible plants tasting good. There are about 30,000 known edible plants, out of which less then 200 are commonly sold in supermarkets, as the rest don't meet palatability standards of most people. If you look through plant identification books that include edibility, there is also usually a listing if its palatable (meaning if it tastes good). There are number of things that can be in plants that are non-toxic but bad tasting. If you read guides on survival in the wilderness, I've never seen taste ever mentioned when trying to find edible plants, as it is completely unreliable in determining edibility.

If I remember correctly, it may have been Dr. Hoffman, himself that first mentioned that he thought LSD may exist in a plant, due to its chemical resemblance to naturally occurring ones. I know Owsley said that, also, in an interview. There are thousand and thousands of plants on Earth that have never been chemically analyzed, so know really knows?

 

I agree with this entirely- well said.
Also- LSD occurs naturally in ergot- it just needs to be seperated from the ergotoxines and every else in the fungi. So in a way it's natural.
Also if you read "My Problem Child" by Albert Hoffman, LSD is very, very similar to chemical produced in the woman's body that is released whilst giving birth. Ergot has a history of being used to speed the process of birth and make it less painful- but it's poisonous and harmful. Hoffman was actually hoping to make a drug to this effect. Some women have reported trip like symptoms whilst giving birth- but thesedays sedatives and painkillers block this out. I'm sure this is passed to the child as well, in my theory more so the child. So I pressume that those born in nature are born tripping off a compound very similar to LSD.
Cant get more natural than that.

 

LSD is a chemical made by government to sterilize our passion for revolution. The 60's was a facade!

 

it depends what Natural means, many people think it is natural to own a TV, they don't grow on trees.

 

Truth. Well, more like utilized by the government, not made.