Why do people disagree about things?

it means "the limit of understanding at the present time"

like it used to be considered a fact that that the atom was the smallest possible particle

 

That definition doesn't take into consideration the absolute possibility of understanding something. "At the present time" implies that the reality of something isn't all there is to understand, since "the limit of understanding" would be all that is relevant in determining fact hood.

I don't know what you would be trying to accomplish by including "at the present time" unless your on about the anthropic principal.

 

I think Chapter13 is saying that for us to have facts, we must go on having them, and that we can't blame them if they grow wings and fly under new orbs of nomenclature.

 

it's as good as a definition as you'll get.. mainly because we don't absolutely know anything... there is no "infinite/absolute knowledge" or certainties ... "facts" are only such until human curiosity prove them wrong

just ask the dude who first looked into a microscope

 

kinda... the proper definition of a fact most likely will exist .. we just a long way off discovering any definites

or douglas adams coulda been right with his theory of the universe lol dunno

 

Your posts sound a lot like faith in uncertainty, rather than just uncertainty alone.

Science is falsifiable. Isn't it enough that we can accept what we think are facts might not be facts? I know that I just took a sip of water.

"Cogito ergo sum"

 

yup, me and socrates agreed on that one

evidently not, or people would never disagree

"sodomy non sapiens"

 

Heeh:

Just wait for it to kick in.

 

This is implying "people" all use scientific method.

I wish I could decipher these seemingly cryptic messages...

 

no, it can apply to anything to which people assume they know and have exhausted all the variables ... anything they percieve as "fact"

personally i have very little faith in most scientific method.. it's just putting names to stuff

you claim you just took a sip of water... based on teh assumption that whatever you drank contained pure H2O and the amount you consumed fits the amount you assume to be a "sip" a scientist could use scientific method to disagree about the claim of it being water.. but not the sip

 

I don't even know what constitutes a "sip" and didn't bother considering it because it wasn't at all relevant to the point.

The point is something is happening here. Something happened that i called "taking a sip of water" and something is happening as you read this to yourself that you can also call by a name. I don't know how you can deny this while also responding to the post...

 

Beauty fuels our imagination. Why don't we just go there and find out?!

 

heeh2- it's possible that you are in a coma, or maybe you are insane and experiencing a hallucination of taking a sip of water.

nothing seems to be 100% certain, or at least, there doesn't seem to be enough reason to trust in our own brain's capacity to detect precisely what is happening all of the time.

what isn't subjective?

 

Generally speaking people don't disagree.

 

If I were in a coma, my perceiving of "taking a sip" would constitute the reality of the coma, and I would mean "taking a sip while in a coma". If i were experiencing a hallucination, the phrase "taking a sip of water" would include that circumstance.

You can say that we are on planet earth and be understood without having to explain where the planet earth is in contrast to everything else that exists that noone knows about because: saying that we are on planet earth does not pre suppose anything that isn't self evident.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. (You guys are arguing semantics)

The concept of Objective reality isn't subjective.

 

it is if people disagree about objective reality, right?

 

Thats the most important part haha. It is because we dont know that we argue, thats the only reason. Whats wonderful about it is we truly dont know anything; leaving an entire universe left to explore.

Lack of knowledge produces argument, everyone lacks true knowledge, therefore we all argue/debate everything. Just gotta get outside the box and see how insignificant we are in the whole scheme of things.

 

yyyesiam2

that is precisely what all of this is about.

By "all of this", I mean the Atheist and agnostic forum, the Christian forum,
Any other religion you can think of or even imagine. Thousands and thousands
of years of rituals, sacrifices, thousands of wars, political tyrants, countless
oppressed minorities, and the list goes on.

All because we disagree about objective reality.

What I know, is that the majority of the people on this planet have no opinion
about the origin of objective reality like they claim and live their life by. This
is because objective reality is exactly what god ISN'T. It is the
distinction between Real and Fake, True and False, Fact and Fiction.

I expect replies regarding the idea that "I cant know that god isn't real" by
people who believe he IS, and they wont think twice about asking me.

In fact, thinking once is all they know how to do.

 

I won't say that you can't know that god isn't real, because some people think everything is explained, but it depends on your interpretations of god, and of what is this life and consciousness? To so many where "god" is a very fundamental thing, being simply the occurrence of the universe into matter into life, God is in almost everything. Take a trip over to the LSD forums and find the thread "I found my Religion"

 

If I'm not mistaken, you think everyone should agree, because you're so sure you're right about what is objective reality. I would suggest you aren't using all your senses, or paying enough attention to them. That you take for granted the meaning of objective reality to mean everything in the reason you've been handed in your learning, physical explanation of everything. But however do you consider all the aspects of life that can be considered objective reality. Do you fancy yourself a physicists knowledgeable of all phenomenon that can be found in objective reality?