Why charity is bullshit

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by walsh, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Why does charity exist?

    Charity is giving to the disenfranchised, those that don't have.

    But why are they actually disenfranchised?


    Every child is born to a world where trees grow bearing fruit, water flows freely in streams and rivers, wild nuts and grains grow across the land. These are all free, always have been free, they are the earth’s gift to us and everyone should be able to live without having to pay for them. Nature gives us what we need to survive at a basic level, but this isn't possible with a limited supply of land, privately owned, making it impossible to eat or sleep without money. Imagine if air was a commodity and you had to work to buy it in order to survive? It sounds absurd but that is exactly what has happened with food.


    Instead of charity - giving to those who don’t have - why aren’t we punishing those who take away from the disenfranchised?



    Aren't the responsible ones really the polluters (who make the water undrinkable and food inedible), the land-owners (who, by occupying land stop others from using it, preventing food from growing on it or the potential to grow on it) and of course the corporations, manufacturers and producers? I have no objection to them taking free-flowing water, bottle it and sellling it, but if this prevents others from using a natural resource those people should be compensated.



    The people actually responsible for the poverty of those who are said to need charity aren’t those who refuse to give money, as the charity organisations claim (selfishly) to get you to hand over your money to them. No matter how much money we give to them it will not get to the root of the problem, only the surface of it. In fact it will make it worse, increasing the number of consumers of basic goods, further benefiting those responsible for the poverty.
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    There is another kind of charity, tolerant attitude: the willingness to judge people in a tolerant or favorable way. The reason this is beneficial is not because they are in need but because things appear to you as you describe them.

    If you care to be helpful to others however, give to those who specifically ask of you.
     
  3. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    so what, your plan is to let the poor people starve because then the corporations won't make quite as much money selling cheap food to them?
     
  4. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    My post was a critique, nothing more. If there's a plan, I suggest it involve those responsible compensating the victims.
     
  5. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    I don't care about being helpful, only problems and solving them. Charity causes problems, and selfishness solves them.
     
  6. Crayola

    Crayola =)

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    what about the charities that raise funds to fight against child abuse? or diseases?
     
  7. TAZER-69

    TAZER-69 Listen To Your Heart! Lifetime Supporter

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    What about St. Judes? They fight for cancer stricken children, put them and there parents up and pays their bills while they are battleing cancer.
     
  8. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    charitable advice

    STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    You have no problems then?

    I agree that it is inconsistent to be altruistic. What causes problems is not charity, but the idea the other , is not me or mine.
     
  10. SpacemanSpiff

    SpacemanSpiff Visitor

    Id probably donate to the local foodbank if the guy in charge didnt weigh close to 500 pounds and if I didnt know my neighbors who collect a generous retirement pension go there for food.
     
  11. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I have a sister who would go to the food bank so that she would have money to buy beer. People will take any advantage they feel they can find. However, i never feel impoverished to be able to give something, quite the opposite it is proof that I am not without. What people do with what is given is not really my concern.
     
  12. Sarah_Again

    Sarah_Again Inspires Irrelevancy

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    Stopped reading here, right when I realised you don't understand the basis of any economy: the need for efficient allocation of scarce resources.



    SCARCE.
     
  13. deleted

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    Salvation Army discriminates gays..
     
  14. indydude

    indydude Senior Member

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    THEY DO? I'm a fan of SA. The newest Lieutenant is a lady. Really nice and energetic. I volunteer there and shop and donate and have went for free lunch. I hope they don't discriminate. I dont like their military style but besides that they do a LOT for our poor little county.
     
  15. yarapario

    yarapario Village Elder

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    Check their record. They are very homophobic and tend to be pretty right-wing in their politics. I give them nothing. There are far more charities that are open minded.
     
  16. Meliai

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    this contradicts your original post. It actually makes no sense in regards to your original post.

    You originally said that the greed of resources, the taking away of resources from the lower fringes of society to make a profit, is the cause of the problem. You mentioned charity as merely a byproduct of this greed.

    In regards to your original post, how does selfishness solve the problem caused by ....greed and selfishness?

    Fallacy alert.

    Anywho. My personal theory is that humans are evolving from a species that must adhere to the rule of survival of the fittest into a species that must learn to work together so that we can all survive.

    From our early days of survival of the fittest, you have people who allocate resources for themselves and for what profit they can earn. From our future as a species that must work together or perish, you have charity.

    Charity is a stepping stone on the road to better and more compassionate human beings.
     
  17. RooRshack

    RooRshack On Sabbatical

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    Yepp..... guy gets rich, owns the money to feed whole countries, and then in response to them having no money to feed themselves (because he has it now) guy donates some chump change to start a charity which good, but poor, people donate their money to to clean up rich guys mess.
     
  18. rollingalong

    rollingalong Banned

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    never ask for ought to be offered
     
  19. Tyrsonswood

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    And to make it doubly offensive, rich guy writes donation off on taxes and gets his money back. It's all a scam.
     
  20. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Why are they scarce though?
     
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