Who Rules: Sasha Shulgin or Albert Hofmann?

Who rules: "Sasha" Shulgin




Author of "PiKHAL" and "TiKHAL"


or Albert Hofmann?




Inventor of LSD

 

what

 

OK, maybe the question may seem vague or silly, but I intended it to stimulate some sort of discussion or maybe even several discussions.

One way to interpret it: do you prefer LSD or the phenethylamines (the "research chemicals") invented by Shulgin?

If you are a chemist or are interested in chemistry, who do you admire more?

Will any of the research chemicals invented by Shulgin overtake LSD?

Do you think that the achievements of Shulgin have been underappreciated?

Has anyone here ever met either of them (I already know The Flow has met both) or corresponded with either of them?

Will there be a resurgence of LSD some time in the future, or will LSD remain popular among small tightly-knit communities (e.g., Deadheads)?

These are just a few questions that come to mind, but the thread is open to any kind of relevant discussion.

 

I can't stand chemistry, but it seems like Sasha might have tested the limits a little more than Hoffman. And I think acid's going to be back someday, hopefully after our civil war.

 

both seemed like a strange vote...though they both are quite neat. what about teerance mckenna? hmm there are some otheers//...

hm, he did a lot more than discover LSD. that was suprising...

i knew about TiHKAL and PiHKAL, and it says that he is writing a new one. i think that out of the two, albert hoffman was more innovative. they both are interesting humans, though.

by the way did anyone know that aldus huxley requested a huge dose of LSD on his deathbed? that would be amazing.

 

Albert Hoffman has had a much larger impact on the world over the last 60 years. Think of how much lsd has changed the world and how many people have been influenced by it. Hoffman was the first person to isolate and indentify psilocybin from magic mushrooms, in part helping to bring mushrooms to the masses.

 

Man, that is too hard of a choice to make.
Dr. Ecstacy or The Inventor of Acid.
Couldn't choose.

 

as much as albert hofmann did for us by inventing acid, shulgin did 20 times over by making his own analogues and drugs
shulgin is also the government's go to man when it comes to drug advice and he's still for legalization of just about everything

 

I would say there about the same L blows everything shulgin ever invented out of the water but hoffman didnt intentionaly create it but he did go with the whole thing. Shuglin on the other hand has probably litteraly expieremented more drugs than any other human on the face of the planet and hes still sharp enough to make all this shit!

 

I can't believe more people voted for Hoffman than Shulgin, I guess there must just be a lot of acid heads on here, as much as I like LSD and Hoffman he's not in the same league as Shulgin.

As for the questions you asked above,
1.Yes I prefer the RC's discovered by Shulgin to the one major drug, LSD, discovered by Hoffman.

2.I am what you might call an unqualified chemist and I admire Shulgin far more.

3. Ecstacy (MDMA) HAS overtaken LSD, in popularity, in how widespread it's use is, in the amount of time it will mantain its momentum of use, ect ect ect.

4. No I think that everyone under the age of 30 that knows who Shulgin is fully appreciates his achievments.

5.Never met either of them.

6.I can't see there being a MAJOR resurgence of LSD use, like when it was at its height and regular use will mainly remain within certain groups, having said that though there will always be spikes from time to time.

Now I can only speak from my own personal expieriences and those of the people around me but I don't think that anyone could argue with the fact that MDMA will maintain its status as the worlds most commonly used synth for far far longer that LSD ever did.

 

which is a shame...

E bores me.

I'm with sasha, love ya mate.

 

Tough one, like people are sayin' Hoffmann is just an all time legend, but having said that, i don't think anyone has done more for the use of pyschedelic chemicals than the man himself Shulgin. Plus Shulgin plays the Viola!!!

 

both are incredibly intelligent men. that being said i could never put one over the other.

 

albert, for sure.

 

Which ones? Most of them have unwanted side effects that LSD does not, I think you're the first person to say you like them more. Have you ever had good lsd, or even real lsd considering the way the scene is nowadays?

Shulgin didn't invent ecstasy, and the main reason ecstasy has taken over as this generation's drug is because of the mentality so prevalent today that people just want to feel good, no matter what. Pop a pill and feel good. With LSD it was actually about expanding consciousness... nobody cares about that anymore.

I can only hope that use will steadily decline until manufacturers slow down production of that garbage.

 

albert hoffman

 

sasha sounds so damn excited and ahead of himself when you hear him talk about chems, haha i love it.

 

I voted both, LSD beats any of Sasha's creations, IMO. But he's created so many!

 

I vote "both" but I have a greater appreciation for Shulgin's work. He knew what he was doing and had the balls to document it. If I recall correctly, Hoffman discovered LSD's effects somewhat accidentally. As far as turning it on the world, well, you can thank Owsley for that.