Which nation in Europe most deserves a permanent seat in UN security council?

First of all, it's a winner's club.
But should winner take all?

 

the e.u. as a collective and united interest. but the very existence of the so called security council is the united nation's biggest short comming. it's exagerated vulnerability to the often perverse and self serving whims of a handfull of the planet's most powerful nations. who preach fairness but practice only vested self intrests indifferent to the well being of others, the planet, or even a majority of the populace of their own countries.

we need a world government to force all nations to open their borders without restriction and end defacto genicidal and culturacidal practices, with the teeth to do so, and not to serve the vested whims of the most powerful few.

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Wow, I hope that was sarcasm.

 

i agree with the first paragraph, though my fucking country occupies one of those fucking seats

but i have to disagree with the second, the powerful few wont really obey this gov. it will only help big power like US to rob the poor ones, however i do agree we should open borders to well-intentioned neighboring nations

 

Economically, Germany

 

I'm hoping the whole thread isnt some kind of ironic absurdity. Who gives a flying foursome what the UN Death machine is up to. Its a bourgeois protectorate system designed to make war more palatable
and reign countries in to a single world view - which only amounts to the freedom to exploit others - those who are not world pimps
sorry - i meant statesmen - and politicians and corporate heads
(see rules of war)

 

If I had to choose one of the three, I would say UK because they (Churchill) invented the UN.

 

why do you hope that and how and why would it be?

granted we only need a world government BECAUSE there are national governments and the're acting like a schoolyard full of spoiled bullies.

world government may not be the best term or even the best answer.
i'm certainly not claiming it absolutely has to be.
far from it.

but i damd sure don't trust the soverignty (nor 'good intentions') of ANY existing soverign government NOR economic interests, corporocratic, national, or otherwise.

(and also by world govenment i mean one could and would curb soverign excessess, one that would base international law on aggreement of all people, bypassing if neccessary, the soverignty of nations to do so. one that would place no idiology or other national, regeonal, economic, or even religeous intrest, ahead of the survival and well being of the human species, nature and the planet)

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Of course the winner should take it all, just ask Abba, the 1970's disco group they wrote a whole song about that.

 

Germany.

 

if it's one seat it should be the european union as a whole, not any one member nation in it. as for the u.n. i think the main problem there is the existence of the 'security council' at all. that and it's lack of real teeth to enforce international law on 'security council' members, the u.s. especialy, who consider themselves above it.

i don't understand this bussiness of liberal bashing. other then the well being of the average joe and jane, what the blessed heck bennifit is there in the existence of any such thing as any kind of government at all?

what in the heck is so called conservatism supposed to bennifit? and how?

the only thing good i've ever heard called conservatism is keeping one's nose out of someone else's bussiness. not something what is currently called conservatism seems very interested in either.

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I'd vote the UK or Germany. I love the Germans

 

the U.K.

 

:toetap: THERE SHOULD BE NO PERMINANT MEMBERS OF THE U. N. SECURITY COUNCIL.

 

Is UK in Europe?

If not - then Germany...

 

Russia.

 

Well, you know, the question that's usually asked in this regard is which other European country should have a seat on the Security Council (or just which other country in general). The reason being that, in case you've forgotten, the 5 permanent members of the Security Council are....

USA
UK
Russia
France
China

I agree that if any other European country receives a seat on the Security Council, it should probably be the EU as a whole. I'm not sure if the EU even has observer status at the UN-it's certainly not a full member (no international/supranational organiztions have full member status at this point). The US at least would probably veto the idea of another country having permanent membership in the UN anyway, because the US likes things the way they are-the US can use its influence pretty well among the permanent members to get things done, and adding another member or members would just lessen the influence that the US has over the Security Council, and thus over the whole UN.