Which makes more sense?

Which makes more sense to you?

A) A man named Jesus, son of God, who was buried in a tomb, who has historical documentation outside of as well as in the Bible, and who has physical artifacts to support his existence?

B) A man named Jesus, son of God, who was buried in a tomb, who has no historical documentation outside of the Bible, and who has no physical artifacts to support his existence?

 

clearly, secondary documentation makes more sense.

 

Not sure what you're trying to get at here - but the fact is that there is no evidence outside the gospels (inc. apocryphal works like the Nag Hammadi texts) that Jesus ever existed.

 

well if you wanna get technical, ther is a piece of wood claimed to be the titilus from the cross in the vatican i think...

 

they found the arc! bullshit!
they found part of the cross! bullshit!
they found jesus' brother's bones! bullshit!
OMFG that peice of wood at a church kinda looks like jesus! its a miracle! Wait, no, it's bullshit!

 

B.
And there is what one may call 'proof' for his existance!
The Discovery channel had a full marathon on documentation about this, including 'proof' for his existance. -It's not even Christian!

And they DID find the ark! It's official!
But that's not proof for Jesus, It's proof for the Old Testament.
You obviously have never read the Bible before, otherwise you wouldn't throw it together like this.

But it's true that the other things you called 'bullshit' are lies.

 

i want to see a link to the arc thing...


the cross thing...the reasn they thinkit may not just be a forgery is that the languages that it is written in, doesnt match with the gospel [like the order]...if it was a forgery, it probobly would have followed the gospels...last i heard [at the end of the show] is that the vatican apporved carbon dating on it...but i havent found any articles on it

 

Here are some links:
http://www.nwcreation.net/noahsarklinks.html

I also heard the Noah's Ark thing on Discovery too...

 

Of course, ~80% of their market (the viewers) is.....

(and a recent Russian expedition found the "ark" to be nothing but a geological formation of lava).

 

all of that stuff i s basically inconclusive, if its that stuff that is always on those discovery programs...


i thought you ment recently...ht lump on Ararat hasnt been conclusivly idntified by scientists...

 

Ok... what proof do they have that the arc is the same? Im really interested in reading what is the proof ... .why is this the same arc? did they do potassium-argon dating?

 

Yeah, and it just so happened that it has the exact same diameters as the ark was said to be.

My answer above.

 

where in the bible does it say the diameter of the arc?

 

Right here:
Gen 6:13-22 OT

And God said to Noah,"The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. 15 And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark — you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20 Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. 21 And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather it to yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them."

22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God commanded him, so he did.
NKJV

 

just wondering, what's a cubit?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit

 

How did they fit 2 of every animal on an arc that small? also, how does one gather thyself enough food?

 

For external 'written' documentation on the existence of Jesus, read Josephus.

 

Only certain animals were packed on the Ark (this doesn't innclude dinosaurs, they died within the flood.)

But this was also discussed in another thread:

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77873&page=5&pp=10

 

ok...the arc isnt under the ice on Ararat...the glacier would have crushed it, or spat it out...its what glacieers do