Which is better to do? Hold your own beliefs or follow other's passed down beliefs?

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  1. bourne1978

    bourne1978 Members

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    I'd say hold your own beliefs. You?
     
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  2. WOLF ANGEL

    WOLF ANGEL Senior Member - A Fool on the Hill Lifetime Supporter

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    "The Lore of my Faith, is that witch found me
    Belief comes with Conviction, and Conscience, - the key,
    That's been passed down, through the passage of time,
    Is for to consider, - but the decision/s are mine
    ".
     
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  3. Candy Gal

    Candy Gal Lifetime Supporter

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    Mine?

    Abou Ben Adhem
    BY LEIGH HUNT
    Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
    Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
    And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
    Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
    An angel writing in a book of gold:β€”
    Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
    And to the presence in the room he said,
    "What writest thou?"β€”The vision raised its head,
    And with a look made of all sweet accord,
    Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."
    "And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"
    Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low,
    But cheerly still; and said, "I pray thee, then,
    Write me as one that loves his fellow men."

    The angel wrote and vanished. The next night
    It came again with a great wakening light,
    And showed the names whom love of God had blest,
    And lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest.
     
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  4. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    "Don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, "This contemplative is our teacher." When you know for yourselves that, "These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering" β€” then you should abandon them."

    "Now, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness' β€” then you should enter & remain in them."
    The Kalama Sutta
     
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  5. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    I would say this. Hold your own views but consider the opinions of others. Avoid being reactionary or dogmatic. Be prepared to reconsider your opinions in the light of new evidence. Don't fall for Anchor Bias.
     
  6. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    I'd say a mixture of both with a strong lean on your own beliefs. Don't discount something just because everyone else believes it. That's partly how I fell into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
     
  7. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Modern science can now provide all the statistical evidence anyone wants for what beliefs more often lead to fame and fortune! However, life's not about what you think or believe. The evidence indicates that those raised in extended families or who regularly volunteer their own two hands in service to their fellow man, actually live up to their own moral values, and thrive better in the long run. Some 80% of the population applies their own moral standards to others, but not themselves, explaining why the whole world is going down the toilet.
     
  8. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    You mean modern science can provide confirmation evidence for whatever agenda you might have? Looking for confirmation evidence is the classic bad argument. I have frequently heard claims of what unhealthy stuff saturated fat is. When asked for scientific evidence, all they can provide is opinions.
    Some years ago, on a Saturday morning there was a tree planting by volunteers. Many people turned out, predominantly the more well healed, not blue collar workers. I was paired with a man who had just qualified as a pharmacist.
     
  9. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    No, I'm saying modern science can prove that the stronger you claim that life must make sense, the shorter your lifespan and the fewer children you will have. The workaholic populations of Japan and the white US and EU have been imploding faster than any other on the planet, since the invention of modern birth control. The sociological evidence includes seniors living longer by literally donating more to charity, and entire economies of poor people struggling to pay it forward among themselves, in order to extend their lives, because they all tend to know damned well it extends their lives. Its not a question of belief, when you are confronted with empirical evidence.
     

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