What public policies should be sought to address conditions that foster crime?

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  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    What public policies should be sought to address conditions that foster crime? Please could i have your views?





     
  2. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    Poverty fosters crime more than anything else.

    Lower the number of those in poverty and you'll have less crime.

    It wouldn't hurt to hve more police officers on our streets either.
     
  3. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    1. Eliminate victimless crime laws such as the war on drugs to free up officers and resources for dealing with real crime.

    2. Make it easier for responsible citizens to arm themselves, as it has been proven time and again that a well armed population is one of the most effective crime deterrents.

    3. Develop a healthy economy through policy, less poverty means less crime.

    4. Increase penalties for violent crimes.

    If you notice, all of these things could be done with virtually no tax dollars. It would be more effective and much cheaper than the old "more cops with better guns" policy.
     
  4. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    Makes sense to me.
     
  5. Shane99X

    Shane99X Senior Member

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    Who the fuck mentioned Kerry?

    Why do they still let you troll?
     
  6. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    1. END THE WAR ON DRUGS - This miserable failure of social policy is responsible for over 75% of violent crime in the United States. It keeps people impoverished and teaches poor kids that the best way to get ahead is to work outside the system.

    2. CUT TAXES BOTH FOR BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS - If businesses have lower taxes, they'll have more money with which to hire more workers, thus lowering unemployment. If individuals have lower taxes, they'll be able to support their families better.
     
  7. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    You can't just cut taxes and expect everything to work out all right. You have to cut spending too or you end up with a huge deficit that due to interest will cost taxpayers more than if they had just gone ahead and payed taxes to begin with, thus eventually increasing the level of poverty. Now, if you want to talk about cutting spending, that is another story.
     
  8. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    Agreed. Spending should be cut appropriately too. I should've made that more clear.
     
  9. Sera Michele

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    Depends on the crime. Lack of livable wages and health care and crappy education are a huge factor in crime in the lower classes. Especially since we have this class warfare going on as well. We jail drug users unless their fat white moneybags like Limbaugh. Theose people feel the oppression and fight back making a living how they can. Drugs, robbery, etc...

    The real criminals in this country are the greedy CEO's making 400x's their employees, and forcing more and more people into poverty.

    We need to put an income cap on our executives, so that if they want to make more money they have to pay their employees more as well.
    We should also STRICTLY regulate companies hiring illegal immagrants, make sure EVERY employee is on the books and making a livable wage.
    Schools in lower class areas should not suffer. They should get the best teachers, and recieve enough funding to have up to date books, music programs, sports programs, etc...
    Stop jailing drug users. It doesn't help drug users to be put in jail. It makes them real criminals.

    Those are some of my thoughts/ideas...
     
  10. Kandahar

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    I think pretty much everything you mentioned, with the exception of drug legalization, would make poverty WORSE.

    Salary caps aren't a good idea, because once the CEO has made his $500K or whatever the cap is, where's his incentive to keep his company productive?

    I also don't like the idea of a minimum wage. As harsh as it may sound, some people's labor just isn't worth $5.15 an hour. A minimum wage prevents them from finding a job at all.
     
  11. Sera Michele

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    I mean something similar to Nader's stance (I believe it to be his stance) that no CEO can make 10x's what their lowest paid employee makes. So basically, it is an incentive to pay their employees better, because as their employees salary raises, theirs will be able to rise.
     
  12. Sera Michele

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    We are talking about american domestic policy and crime. I don't know what that has to do with cuba...
     
  13. Kandahar

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    It's an honorable idea for a CEO to give most of his money to his workers (I believe Ben & Jerry's has a self-imposed policy that no one can make more than 10 times the lowest paid worker). But...I think that these policies need to be implemented by the companies themselves, rather than the government forcing them to do it. The generous CEOs will do it anyway, and the greedy CEOs will just produce less if they have to give more money away to their employees.
     
  14. Sera Michele

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    You are actually trying to say that if CEO's have to pay their employees more that they will no longer want to make tons of money? That is just not true.

    If we leave this up to the companies it wont happen, which is obvious becuase it hasn't happened.

    Japan does this currently, and they have been very successful. They also have excellent healthcare and elder care, almost no homelessness, and far less crime comparable to the united states.
     
  15. PhotoGra1

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    Or, its an incentive to split one company into several spin-off companies, with the ceo of one company on the executive board of directers at the spin-off companies, & vice vera. I think this would increase the executive payroll, and reduce workers payroll.

    Blanket government regulations such as this proposed one are usually ineffective. You could never patch all the loopholes.
     
  16. interval_illusion

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    Damn you.. I cant even say anything. You stole everything i had to say ;) and said it all MUCH better then i could have!
     
  17. interval_illusion

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    i am in the process of trying to get you banned. just cause i like ya soooooOOOooOO much :) :)
     
  18. PhotoGra1

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    The key is the consumer. If the consumer cared, the company would have to care or it would loose revenue. A free market with educated consumers is the best way to regulate these things, because they regulate themselves. The least amount of government intervention necessary combined with an educated consumer base is the ideal situation.

    Target is a good example. It is no where near as cheap as Wal-Mart, but they gain many customers because of their very generous corporate charity programs. The real greed causing unlivable wages, etc, is america's insatiable demand for cheap products. People can't pay their employees well without making a decent profit. Consumer greed is much more detrimental to our society than corporate greed.
     
  19. interval_illusion

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    Although i agreed with everything that you said... well, i mean almost- i didnt agree with your last sentence. dont get me wrong- you had a lot of great points. however, how can you honestly say that consumer greed is more detrimental to our society then corportate greed? i am aware that consumer greed has a negative effect but i can not validate in my mind how it would be worse then the latter....
     
  20. PhotoGra1

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    Oh, but back to the topic of this thread (sorry!), I agree that poverty contributes greatly to crime. We need to revamp our entire educational system, which is still operating in a manner to produce obient factory workers, and not intelligent, free thinking individuals capable of being successful in the current work enviroment. Entitlement programs are counterproductive to reducing poverty, & thusly crime. Welfare, SSI, etc, is spread to thin to really help get people on their feet, so they can be productive. We need more policies that foster personal responsibility instead of entitlement. Perhaps instead of a judicial system that operates solely as a penal system, we could operate some type of rehabilitative system, helping integrate disenfranchised persons successfully into the community.
     
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