What On Earth Does Sweden Know That We Don't?

What?

 

Will it explain why Sweden is doing so well compared to the US?

 

Something tells me you didnt read the article

 

The Scandinavian system works because people care for each other. Helping a neighbor though a "big" goverment tax is fine. America fears an evil goverment will waste the tax dollars. People say that model is impossible in America. It's not that hard if people were willing to give power to the middle class.

In America we are fine with our employer taking thousands of dollars off a paycheck in a year for private insurance. We are unwilling to less taken out for state healthcare. Somehow one is an unfair use of your money the other is not. We need to accept the idea of taxes benefiting us. This is not something Republicans do at this time. It's all "socialism" to them.

 

If we just isolate the US healthcare system in this welare thread for just a second.

There are many benefits to having a lot of US companies at the top of the field, the biggest earners in the industry

.....which once you expand it worldwide you dont really get compensated for

You basically do have US citizens paying an eye watering amount for health insurance in part so the rest of the world gets the same stuff later on down the track we didnt throw in billions in research for

 

If all that overhead translated to medical research, it would be one thing.

But most of it translates to increasing earning per share on publicly traded companies. Life expectancy is worse and we spend much more.

It's the same thing I learned buying drugs. Throw an unnecessary middle man in the mix, and you'll get stiffed.

 

This, basically. It's called basic human decency. World War II was a bitter pill to swallow. 80 million dead people were needed to show to the European leaders what happens, when you try to just ignore the plight of the poor, and pretend there's no problem. The German poor then, fed up with their situation, responded by supporting Hitler and the nazis, hoping that things would change. The end result was the darkest chapter written in the history of mankind. European welfare systems came to be from that. Post-WW2 European leaders came to realize that the poor masses will always begin to revolt, if you just abandon them to starve. In a way, giving "free money" to a bunch of "lazy welfare leeches" guarantees security and stability in society, when people are placated and no longer have the need to riot. By keeping the "lazy welfare leeches" fed, the elites also protect themselves.

 

Wil

No I don’t see - where are you getting your information from?

And condoms and table lamps don't seem to have a conection to the supposed failing of the NHS it’s a regulatory problem (even possibly a criminal one)

I mean if people are selling substandard condoms in vending machines that is a criminal matter the same with electrical cables which I believe have to conform to European standards so if people are selling dangerous lamps that is a legal problem what has it to do with the NHS?

Source?

So your claim is that the reason why the NHS is supposedly failing is because of human error but how do you know this and why do you seem to be think it is ONLY happening in the NHS?

You also what me to imagine Indian doctors and temporary polish staff who can’t speak or understand English as been a big problem - well first only about one in eight NHS employees are foreign nationals and I believe they have to be checked on their English skills.

In total, around 139,000 of the 1.2 million NHS employees are foreign nationals – equating to one in eight (12.5 per cent). Of these, around 62,000 – or 5.6 per cent of all employees - come from EU countries. 45,000 come from Asia, and 21,000 are from African countries

Also as we are talking about English, you are down as living in London but are you from America I noticed you spelt colour as color?

 

Wil

As to Brexit please come on over to the Brexit thread we’d love to see you there- but just a few comments on what you said.

Again you seem to be citing stuff I don't seem able to find to substantiate

Source - Where did you get that from? How are they ‘making it so hard’?

Source? Or is this something you just think and if so why do you think it?

As I’ve said in the Brexit thread the blame game has already begun. I’ve seen this argument coming from the right wing press that it’s the big bad EU that is going to make things bad for Britain and so if things go bad it’s The EU’s fault not the UK’s for leaving.

Source?

We have had our ups and downs with Ireland (there was a trade war in 1930’s) and it had a mainly Protectionist trade policy (with high tariffs on British goods) up to the 1950-60 yes we did sign a free trade agreement with Ireland in 1965 but then Ireland not long after joined the EEC at the same time as us in 1973.

We would need to have a trade agreement with the EU to have one with Ireland post Brexit.

What? I really am unsure what you mean by this can you explain your thinking?

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Why did you vote for Brexit?

 

To me the political history of the 20th century (in the industrialised nations) has been to one degree or another about the curtailment of the adverse effects of 19th century exploitative capitalism (some call classical liberalism).

People in many nations fought for voting rights, social benefits, safer working conditions, progressive taxation, welfare, universal healthcare and decent living wages. The result of that movement was that the economic benefits of production were much more widely distributed.

Many people saw their wages grow and in the period between the end of WWII and the 1970 many in Europe and the US gain middle class status.

But from the 70’s onward a new idea was promoted in some of these nations, often referred to as neo-liberalism, this ideology was similar to the exploitive classical economics of the past and was opposed to the ‘distributive’ systems that had developed.

Where neo-liberal policies were adopted the long fought for distributive system have been undermined. Neo-liberals argued that to ‘compete’ in the global market the elements of the distributive system needed to be dismantled in favour of ‘marketization’, what is needed they say is deregulation, the cutting of welfare, market orientated healthcare, tax cuts, low wages, weak government oversight etc etc.

Neoliberalism causes inequality and winners and losers and this has caused a backlash especially in those areas where it was most closely followed as the ‘losers’ including many lower middle and working class families reacted against it - this has led I believe to Trump in the US and Brexit in the UK.

The strange thing to me is that many of these people ended up voting for the very neoliberal political groups that had caused the hardships they were facing and reacting against.

In the UK many voted to save the NHS by supporting neoliberal politicians that want to dismantle the NHS.

In the US many voters wanted better healthcare and jobs then voted for people that wanted to cut healthcare and cut taxes rather than invest in jobs.

It looks like things are changing in the US but in the UK I fear Brexit will only make things worse

 

Definitely. One day Trump will be history - we in the UK will have to endure what promise to be the disastrous consequences of brexshit through further decades of decline.

 

Thing is that Americans could have universal healthcare, to paraphrase - because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of their energies and skills, because that challenge is one that they are willing to accept and one they are unwilling to postpone

Things that many have called impossible can be achievable if there is the political will.

 

Yea!!!

 

2 words:

Too shay