what is wrong with society & why did i post this in the LSD section?

Discussion in 'LSD - Acid Trips' started by 3xi, Dec 13, 2007.

  1. 3xi

    3xi Senior Member

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    there is so much that i feel is wrong with our society that i almost want to just give up and go live in a hut somewhere that i wont have to pay taxes or listen to anyone tell me what i can and cant do(if there is such a place that i could go)... but ultimately i think that the whole world needs to be saved, not just myself. if i go out to live away from it all and live off the land i would only be saving myself and in the big picture that just isnt good enough and is very selfish. i feel that the world needs to change. not to destroy what we have but to build on what we have in a peaceful way.

    peter popper mentioned something in another thread about how in the future the police will be able to bust you within seconds for doing something illigal. that is what got me started on this thread and is exactly why people like us have to make sure we do whatever we can to ensure that our fredoms are not taken away anymore. what can a few people do - in the name of freedom we can do amazing things. any and all forms of control must be eliminated. i know that a police free society is difficult for people to imagine and will be almost impossible to accomplish any time soon but this is something that we have to work towards in a way that will not have the whole system crashing down on us. we need this system to survive. we need a working economy more than anything else and we do not want to make any drastic changes that may distroy the foundation that we stand upon. like you i think there is much good about society - with our extremely large populations we need to work together and some sort of system is necessary. i dont think that we need to change our currency.

    as for the police i think that they should become a rescue squad and have nothing to do with making arrests. they should have nothing to do with causing harm but everything to do with preventing it. preventing danger should never cause anyone any harm. i think that we the people should be responsible for keeping our families safe. i think that karma should be the only force guiding our actions. for example - if some man raped my daughter i would like to decide what to do with this guy. maybe the women will learn how to defend themselves by carying a small wepon to immobilize any man who tries to harm them. i think it should be up to the family involved how they will deal with the situation. in most cases i feel that police only get in the way. it is very easy for predators and other questionable people to get away with what they are doing because we have to wait for a team of police to get around to doing something about it and in most cases we are unhappy with the polices' resolve. another example - someone breaks into my house but i can not hurt them in anyway or i will be breaking the law - instead i have call 911 and hope the guy doesnt hurt us before the police get there. if we were given the freedom to kill anyone who entered our home i am sure there would be a lot less home invasions going on. if the families of a rape victim were given the freedom to deal with the situation as they see fit i am sure there would be less rapping going on. now i am not sure if i could or would actually kill someone. the only time i can say that i would kill someone is if that was the only way to save my life or someone in my family's life. and that would have to be in the moment just before the death was to take place. i could not in good conscious kill someone that i thought might kill me or might kill a family member - they would have to be in the act of murder at the time for me to ever realize that killing them is a good idea and that would have to be the only way to prevent it, if i could imobilize the individual without killing them i would do that and we would decide what to do with the individual later with a family meeting.

    the idea that we as a people need laws to govern us suggests that people are not responsible enough to make their own choices. i was given the freedom to make choices and learn by them yet some government tries to tell me that i am not capable of making up my mind on my own and they will tell me what is right and what is wrong. this is just all wrong. basically if you learn to protect yourself and your family there is nothing to fear. the police create some sort of false sense of security. i would rather walk out of my house being prepared to protect myself than i would want to have police protecting me. i think we should work together as families to protect ourselves and defend against our enemies. i believe that a family run security system would work better than a government run police system. our families could pool their resources to organize some sort of defense should the need ever arise.

    i know that when you imagine a world without police you see trouble. even i get a little freaked out by the idea but overall i think that we can take care of ourselves. it is like with parenting - if you are strict with your rules your children will rebel and turn into something you dont want. if you let them make up their own minds and think for themselves you will see them grow up to be wonderful people. the same would be true in society - sure the transition might be a bit rough but giving freedom to the people is the best way to go in the long run. in the future we could live in a peaceful place.

    after all that writing and i know i still have not made a solid argument. basically i am still not sure how it can be done safely but i know it must at some point be done. our country must be given back to the people and if we want to continue calling canada and the states free countries we better look at making it completely free. there is something very wrong with a country that says you live in a free country as long as you follow their rules!!!

    as for the government and taxes - i have done a lot of thinking on this subject and i feel i have some answers. of course i dont have all the solutions just yet but i sure do have some good ideas that in theory work much better than the system we have somehow adopted... i am only one person so i dont claim to have all the answers and of course i dont figure i can do it alone - i hope to meet people along the way that will offer some help. as long as i am alive i must work towards making the world a better place - even if the effect i have is very little at least i tried. i told my wife that peter popper asked me how we could make this society a better place she laughed and said "oh no - your going to be writing all day" and here i am going on and on, i hope you guys read it all and decide to help by adding some ideas or disagreing.

    like i said we need a system that works. no one wants to go back in time.

    TAX IS WRONG - why must we pay tax? i know that people are going to say that we need our roads and schools and in some countries health care. that’s all true - we do need such services. the thing that gets me is why i have to pay for stuff i might not be using. we could very easily change our taxing government to a pay as you go system. we dont need tax and we dont need anyone telling us how to live our lives or spend our money. now that we have the internet this transition can be achieved without too much problem. this will take a great deal of time but is achievable.

    we could all have an account on line under our social security number where we decide what services we want to subscribe to. i would transfer my money every month to all the services that i need. kinda like what we do now for our hydro and telephone.

    we could use the same system for our roads. in order to have access to the roads you would have to pay a monthly fee based on how much you use. someone who drives a truck on the roads all day would have to pay more than someone who only uses it go get to work. a system would have to be developed to ensure that people cant use the roads without first paying - that would be difficult but in this modern world i feel it is possible.

    for health care we could have a family pot where every month everyone in the family puts some of their hard earned money in the pot. i dont like to give my money away to anyone who might need it. like the old woman i never knew who spent her hole life smoking cigarette after cigarette who wants to stay on life support or have a very expensive surgery - why do i have to pay for that. if it was someone in my family then i would feel better about where the money was going and the family could decide. in my case i probably would start my own fund that did not include my parents or grand parents. they spent much of their lives killing themselves and i am not going to spend money to keep them alive when they spent thousands of dollars killing themselves. if someone in my family needed a little extra money for some medical emergency i would consider giving them money out of my own pot.

    we could do the same thing for the fire department. if you dont pay a small monthy fee they wont come to your house if it is burning down. they will come put out the fire if they have to, to save your neighbors house who did pay the monthly fee but as far as you are concerned if you dont subscribe to the fire department your house doesnt matter.

    we could do this for every part of our already working government. those who want to support the school system can pay for the service. if you want to put your kids in school you will have to pay a monthly fee. this would make our education system a lot more accountable.

    as for the military i think we should use the same approach that i mentioned in regards to policing. people could donate any extra money they have to our national defense. personally i would only give money to the military if they were for our defense only. there would have to be no more of this going into other countries and bossing people around. there is no need for an offensive military. i am sure that if all countries just sat back and defended themselves that there would be no more war. they would have to rely on people giving them money so they would have to be more accountable. they would have to rally up support and prove to the people that such measures are needed.

    what i am getting at is that with a pay as you go system there would be much less money wasted or stolen and the independent companies that take care of one or more of the services could be held accountable. if a service does not get the funding that it requires to operate some changes will have to be made. with a pay as you go system you know that people are getting what they paid for and that in itself would make the system fair. like i said i dont have all the answers and most of my ideas are so far fetched that it will be difficult even to get a few people to agree. most people will be so scared of change that they will do everything in their power to stop anything like this from happening. i am not the best at putting my thoughts out in this medium. i find it easier to speak and let it flow - this medium is difficult for me sometimes. none the less i feel i have made some good points here - way off topic i guess but peter popper asked this question of me in another thread and seeing that this is the LSD section i figure if anyone is going to be open to this type of thinking it would be here with a bunch of crazy drug users...lol

    seriously i think that if we got a few hundred of our brightest psychedelic minds and put them in that big room where all those politicians argue all day we could come up with some very good solutions to our problem. what is that problem - a free country that tells you what to do and makes you pay tax. lets work towards making this a FREE WORLD. any ideas to add? anyone disagree or have a better idea? anyone ever thought anything like this? anyone upset that i have taken the time to go way off topic in an LSD thread? honestly i think i will find better responces to this kind of post in this section - for some reason i think that people who use psychedelic drugs are more open to this kind of change. if it wasnt for psychedelic drugs i never would have realized any of this... anyways, i look forward to hearing what you have to say.
     
  2. sw0o0sh

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    To paragraph 2 -

    I think you are thinking of the future to be more like a `Minority Report` (movie) type feel. While it may happen ions from now, it would take a VERY long time in America, or the world in general to reach a point where freedoms are violated to the point where you are busted the second you do something wrong. Why don't you think of 'how' that type of instance would be achieved? (Super advanced technology needed) .. That could, when they put sensory chips in all humans for "action" control... Huge freedom violation, wouldn't ever fly unless ALL the wrong people were in control (.. and all over the world), and that would be very hard..

    To paragraph 3 -

    "as for the police i think that they should become a rescue squad and have nothing to do with making arrests. they should have nothing to do with causing harm but everything to do with preventing it."

    In the process of preventing harm, harm may occur. When two people are gunning eachother down, are the policemen suppose to ask them politely to stop what they are doing and shake hands?

    "i think that we the people should be responsible for keeping our families safe. i think that karma should be the only force guiding our actions."

    So what does that mean? Darwinism? Anarchism? Why would the governments tell their citizens they are on their own? They would only be achieving what I mentioned earlier. That would be totally unethical to families who weren't exactly suitable to protect themselves, and that would also mean families who aren't such classy citizens, could go around screwing up other families that can not protect themselves.. Not every family consists of a burley father, helpless woman, and 2 5 year old children (to put it cliche-ly).

    ...

    I don't know, the rest of your idea's seemed to irrational to discuss. Put it this way, if the world is to be a Utopia (or just a 'better' place), some day (which is almost impossible to establish), you wouldn't be the right guy to establish it. Your hearts in the right place, but I don't think your imagination is. There are many flaws. Your idea's would cause chaos if they were put into action, and personally I'm not worried about what could evolve in times over half a millenium (if our earth doesn't rot by then).
     
  3. RELAYER

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    Why should a truck driver have to pay more money to use a road simply because he is on it more than someone who just drives a car? 3xi this is the kind of uneducated assumption made that is based on no real understanding of how the fabric of society works. Do you know anything about truck driving and how the money runs there? Here Ill break it down for you.
    Let's say, a farmer for example, grows a crop. He wants to make money, so he sells it to a market in Hunts Point Bronx, NY. So how will it get there? A truck. So how does the truck get involved? The shipper calls contact brokerage compaines, of which there can be up to 5 or 10 broker compaines trying to sell one load, alone. Obviously, they all compete to get a truck company to take it for a lower price because they want more money from the shipper (farmer, in this case). The tuck company gets a certain percentage, which they then use to pay insurance on the truck and trailer, pay for deisel fuel (right now @ 3.47 a gallon), pay the driver a paycheck, pay the dispatcher, and pay for several other services which keep them legal with the DOT.
    Now, you want to charge them MORE money just to legally do their job?
    And this is just one, and probably the least important, examples you bring up.
     
  4. dilligaf

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    oh i tried to get thru that really long run on sentence [​IMG],,, but i had to breath somewhere around the police state chapter....

    i however got thru the first pargraph with a few wits about me and ,,, how is helping yourself and your family selfish... We grow our own animals produce veggies etc here on the farm,,, we open our doors to teach others the same,,, isnt that doing your lil part in atleast some way form or fashion... when you bring up family further on down somewhere,,, i didnt read it honestly,,, but isnt just what i just typed part of taking care of our own??? I can only do so much,, i open my doors my way of life,,, requires others to want to do something and take those steps and so on and so forth,,,, i cant help it if if they choose to sit on there asses and type about it rather than do something about it ... in the end its up to us as individuals to make what we have better, noone else is going to do that for you,,,
     
  5. 3xi

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    the company would pay the extra fees to use the roads more. that wouldnt be a problem seeing that they would be saving money by not having to pay taxes.

    what i suggest is fair.

    if the cost of the delivery goes up then so be it. if we have to pay more for our fruit but we have to pay less in tax it evens it self out.

    i dont think relayer actually understands what i am getting at. maybe it was my wording.

    i am looking for a fair system. the only way to do this is with a pay as you go system.

    why anyone would argue the need for tax is beyond me but does not surprise me in the least.
     
  6. RELAYER

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    I just dont think it will work for one main reason alone 3xi, and that is that your average person will not want to pay more money for fruit! I mean if taxes were relieved on the carrier companies (which, as they are, are higher than most people realize) sure, maybe a monthly road fee MIGHT just slide. But there will always be competetion (freedom) to broker freight, and when you have carrier companies that are just trying to get home to their families on the weekend, they will take the cheap freight. It's just a big mess of people trying to squeeze a penny anywhere they can, and the man who actually does the real work, the driver, get's the lowest pay out of any of them. I mean, brokers of freight will make 2-300$$$ easy on one load, move 50 loads a day like that? And your rich. BUT, that's 2-300$$$ out of a truckers pocket while he is the one breaking his back to make sure the load is delivered.
     
  7. killuminati

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    the corruption is just too deep.. from our presidential history genology, to having ridiculous pretexts. there really isn't much we can do unfortunately. people will just learn the hard way.
     
  8. 3xi

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    i think you should read the second paragraph again. i didnt say it would be easy and i agree that it would take a very long time.

    my point is that our current system is not fair and we should be working towards something very different. i did mention that my ideas are not complete and that i did not have the solutions. i have some ideas. you come at it like i am trying to be the next world savior or something. i am not that stupid. i am just talking about it - the first and most important part of change. the reason i bring this up is so that i can better understand what it is that i want. all of my theories or suggestions would have to go through a very long process before they were ready to be put into place. the ideas i only brushed on because i am not going to spend all year writing a book that no one would read. plus i dont claim to know what we should do exactly. all i know is that this is not a free country and there are things that we can do to change the way things are. the changes i suggest are radical but are not impossible. like i said clearly in the second paragraph this is something that must be done in a way that will not have the system crashing down on us. i did not go into how to get from point a to point b because i dont know what that will be. all i know is it will take a long time and a lot of people working together. do i think that i will be the one to do this - no way in hell. could i be a part of it? sure, maybe even just as a small voice i make some sort of difference. do i have my doubts that we the people will ever be able to enjoy a free country - i sure do - especially with so many closed minded fearful people in the world.
     
  9. MovedOn

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    At one point I started contemplating really complex schemes and methods to change the government and how people think.
    But it made me crazy, it was too complex to think about it for one. Plus, what kind of underlying motives would make me do that?

    3xi, although I agree completely with you that extreme changes need to happen. I think a complete 180 flip and then some into even an opposite dimension is necessary. Which maybe you can retool the functions of the government? Maybe thats what your here to do? But for me atleast, I can't think that way.

    All I do is make sure I'm trying to my hardest to project the energy of love. So that other people can feel it and understand it. Also theres a fair bit of suggesting to people "mushrooms are pretty awesome" in that scheme.

    Cause I think of it this way. Even if someone like Ron Paul did get elected, then down all through the mayor and governor positions, similar revolutionary type politicians got elected and reworked the entire government. The PEOPLE are still gonna be as angry and frustrated as they've ever been. IMO, there needs to be more change in the psyche and underlying beliefs of the people than there does in how the government operates.

    You know as Leary and others outright prophesized. We need a consciousness shift, a mass awakening of possibility in people. The change is not going to come down from the government, thats playing the same game we are currently playing. The change needs to come up from the people.

    Which, how much can you do with that right now really? Well it seemed in the 60's and 70's the one who awoke the most people were the philosophical and artistic. Christopher Hyatt said "Those who control the metaphor control the energy". It's a very literal thing to me. The energy of love goes to those who don't know it via metaphor. If you know the metaphors of love, you have the ability to control it among the people around you. It's been my personal goal in life to make everything I say, wear and act out to be a metaphor of love, as much as I can.

    Although, one argument I've come up in the past months that I think is really good, one metaphor I should say is. "LSD should be used as a weapon" "We should make guns that shoot drops of LSD". Which right then when you say that to people, you get this look of shock and like something is wrong with you. But then you have the ability to back that up with "Well you can disagree with me, but understand with that, your agreeing to bullets. You may think I'm weird for suggesting we shoot LSD at people who think they've gained the right to kill another, but I think your even crazier for suggesting we shoot bullets at them" or "I prefer to live my life by the rules of, do to others as you would like done to yourself, now certainly if I became neurotic enough to start gunning down people, I would want nothing more than you to give me a good strong dose of LSD to set my mind straight". The argument is actually pretty damn foolproof from my experience thus far. You can argue it with the most anti-drug or even your mom and you come out sounding more rational than the bullet-loving people. You know "You dont have to physically kill people, just psychologically kill people".

    Anyways I kind went off track there. I'm just saying, is focusing at the government and policy level truly the solution?

    I pretty much agree completely with this
    "I think any reasonable person can conclude that the redemption of the world, if it's to be achieved, can only be achieved through magic. It's too late for science. It's too late for hortatory politics."
    -Terence McKenna

    I say it is time we work harder to resurrect the 'magic' from the ancient days. What is 'magic'? Well if you've read McKennas other stuff, it is Magic Mushrooms! It is LSD. It is spiritual or magick practice while on hallucinogens. I don't see how anything else is going to be efficient enough or let enough people "get the point" to make a change.

    Even completely sober Western Buddhists who have been at it for over a decade still have barely touched on getting it, atleast the ones I've met. This isn't to negate Tibetan Buddhists or the hundreds of truly sober enlightened over in India or wherever that do get it, as they get it way more than me I will admit. But I do completely agree with McKenna and also Leary that for the western world, LSD is pretty much God's gift for us to fix it. Nothing else really can. The solution is quite literally the Archaic Revival, people are having to rediscover the ancient reality tunnels because the western reality tunnel has failed. We all need to step back to the last one that worked flawlessly.

    Plus I know for me personally, if it weren't for mushrooms, notably LSD. I probably wouldn't even be here discussing this.

    Which hey, I may have to live in a little hut out in a forest commune, growing my own vegetables, playing drums and writing poetry. But if it's in a little village of people I love, that sounds completely awesome to me, I couldn't imagine a better life really.

    In short, I've found if I wanna change the whole to perfection. First I must work on changing myself to perfection.
     
  10. r3m3dy

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    your system sounds good but the country would end up being run by the mafia or a similar criminal organization.
     
  11. neodude1212

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    yeah...im gonna have to side with relayer on this one.


    i mean, our government is screwed up obviously. every government in the world right now is screwed up. yes we have serious flaws, and things could be A LOT better, but at the same time, they could be A LOT worse. when you look at the big picture....we really don't have it that bad here. especially not compared to the rest of the world. taxes are necessary to run a functioning government, and despite what you may believe, functioning government is needed. not everyone wants to be proactive in their lives and change things and strive towards the better. most ppl are happy right where they are. does that make them stupid or inferior? no. it makes them happy.

    All im trying to say is, the government is always going to appeal to the majority.

    in regards to the police and military thing.....not everyone out there is full of love. some ppl would hurt you just to do it. sometimes premptive attacks are better in the long run...
     
  12. 3xi

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    you make some very good points

    and i agree that a change has to be made in the hearts of the people. actually i think that the kind of change that i am suggesting would be impossible without some sort of change in the hearts and minds of the people. at this point in time it may seem pointless to imagine what society could be like but then again change would never happen if people didnt talk about it first.

    i am a musician, i write music that i hope one day reaches out to millions of people in a way that will achieve what you are suggesting. i hope to be a part of making psychedelic drugs popular again. i believe the magic you are talking about will come about through psychedelic music. music is magic. once people wake up they can start to work their own magic whether that be with music, painting, public speaking or even just being a wonderful loving family member. as these types of changes happen in the hearts and minds of the people the possibility of drastic changes in the government will improve. we need to learn how to be better more loving people. we all need to make the change at home first. the more families living in a place of love the better the chances that we can do something about our horribly rotten government.
     
  13. MovedOn

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    Yes, the thing is. Theres many people who are spreading love around right now. Thousands of people collectively doing it.

    Understand this is just my personal thought process, but I think of it in terms of "how can I get people to do LSD, that haven't". As skewingly Leary as that is. That is really a great way to think about it. Well if you are the kindest, most endearing, loving person that just gets along with everyone. And the voice of LSD is coming from you. Then you might actually do some good.

    Just make sure your always doing it from love, from the full want to see them flourish happily and fully. Not so that at the end you can say 'I told you so'.

    You know I really don't think the problem is that we haven't thought up a solution.
    The problem is, no one is willing to listen to the people who have thought up the solution. I think it really does just come down to, if your an LSD or mushroom incarnate, how do you get people to respect/trust you and then inadvertently, LSD or mushrooms as well? You know, this is crazy to say, but we are the voice of the mushroom for humankind. People who have decided to recognize it for what it truly is, they do become the human voice for it. Make sure you speak it as it truly is.

    And music is an AMAZING metaphor, magick. But don't negate visual communication as well. It's just as important.
     
  14. 3xi

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    rygoody - what you said about shooting people with LSD made me think of something. if someone was to break into my home i would probably not have it in me to kill the person but it sure would be fun to kick them out of my house after i dosed them with some LSD. not sure if that is the best idea but it is better than hurting them.
     
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    "your system sounds good but the country would end up being run by the mafia or a similar criminal organization. " - WAKE UP DAMNIT! What do you think the police are? the fbi, cia, dea, atf... ALL basically mafia of the highest level. They are levying taxes on illegal trade! That is their main function. If you really understand organized crime then you know its close relationship with these organizations.

    PS: I believe that minority report IS already a reality today and that it just does not manifest to the general public. If you are a serious criminal or are very keen you will understand why I say this.

    3xi your ideas are very rough and need refinement and new perspective, but you have already stated this. Later I will join your online quest and break down/ refine each point you made but I am not feeling up to it mentally right now. I am going to go off into the woods to meditate and clear my mind before I attempt to get my thoughts 100% together.
     
  16. mara-aum

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    It’s been a long time….the last time I was on here the conversations tended to run in circles and I got bored. Lately there has been a shift in so many of you…conversation is getting deeper and far more interesting.

    3xi’s visions of a potential future sound eerily similar to a book I read several years ago: “Conversations with God” by Neal Walsh. He made it all sound so simple and easy…and POSSIBLE! I read this book long before I met 3xi & I know for a fact that he’s never read it. (and yes relayer I am his wife but I still don’t see why it matters or that I have to prove it—I never did understand that thread) I’m curious to see where this conversation of utopia goes-I can’t wait to hear what elfin1mf has to say on his ideas.
    When I read rygoody’s note on shooting people with lsd—BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT! I have often thought that if the majority of humanity did lsd it would be a far different world…better world—but then again, that would interfere with their freedom of choice-but so does a bullet. At least the lsd wears off….death isn’t so easy to shake lol.
     
  17. MovedOn

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    Ya... I really do think they need to replace bullets with LSD. I mean imagine if that happened world round.

    I was actually watching this video that said the US government was experimenting with LSD for that exact purpose. To release it from airplanes somehow in which it would blanket areas. Massly dosing people. It was this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbvVLGskCQo

    The reason for not continuing the idea was "the dosing is rather diffucult to control"? Really, that sort of thinking just puzzles me beyond belief.
    "We cant give the enemy soldiers too much LSD, so instead we will just continue killing them".

    Thats the most absurd thing I've ever heard. It really makes me wonder, what exactly did they abandon the idea for?

    After they dosed the enemies, did no US soldier want to go kill a bunch of people sitting around staring at trees?
    Or would they just have to gather them all up as POW's and overfill jails and waste funding. So just kill them on the spot instead?

    It really makes me wonder.

    I have heard stories though, back in the 60's. Some people would put LSD in squirt guns. When the cops would come, they'd squirt the cops, dose them quite hard. Supposedly, cops eventually just kept there distance from parties where they knew it could happen. Atleast, thats what I heard.
     
  18. Shapeshifter

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    You see there is no law witch can stop me from doing something that I feel is right (take LSD as an example), but also even if something is not defined by law and I feel it is wrong, I will never do it. So, until there is a shift in people's consciousnes, so they know what is right and wrong and stick to that, this change that we are talking about is impossible. Maybe we need another ice age, or any other catastophy, so who survives, survives with different consciousnes, with higher respect for nature and its laws. Or a mass dosing of LSD, or some similar thing, witch might happen by "mistake" and awakes humanity. Untill all the people are on that level, it is useless to talk about better place, utopia and similar things. You see, you can have 10 million people living in utopia, and only 10 people who are not, and they will fuck up everything for everybody. Human are like cancer, and until that is changed, we can only imagine and live in our imagination. But, awaking more and people and making more and more families witch are raising their kids by law of love and care, will make more "new human" who are ready for that long waited better place. I think that is the only thing that we can do for now, to try to awake as much as we can.
     
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    Aw man Im sorry mara. I realize I cant ask you to forgive me and let it go but since you brought up my past rediculous, childish, foolish, and offensive post I have to at least apologize. Take it for what it's worth but just know that I love you both and would never again intentionally try and hurt you or your husband, nor anyone else for that matter, wether they deserve it or not. Ok, sorry for the off topic reply, just had to get that off my chest.
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    i think that realizing how society could be better is far better than thinking that there is nothing we can do about the situation and just sitting there taking it in the ass with a smile on our faces.

    it seems most people would rather live in denial.

    whether or not this type of change is possible at any time in the future is actually impossible to know. suggesting that we should not even think about this kind of change because it must be impossible would be giving up and with that belief it would become impossible. if more and more people were to imagine how the world could be better we would be one step closer to a free world.

    it is far better to believe that we can change the world for the better than it is to settle with what we have because the change seems impossible.

    throughout human history we have gone through many changes that seemed impossible by millions until it happened. that is just the way it goes. the truth is that if it were not for the people who believed that change was possible we would have gotten no where!
     

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