What god isn't.

Animal, vegtable, or mineral, to begin with.

 

An old man, sitting on a cloud, loving all his little sheep (humans), except for the homosexuals, the women, the ones losing their virginity before marriage, the ones not going to church regularily, the ones not praying to him like mad, the ones not looking at their religion as something superior and ultimatively true, the ones not listening to the old man in Rome stating he's the direct connection to God and so on ...

 

Rain

Well said.

Occam

PS. Occam understands this perspective well. Perhaps comming from he same place in thought/feeling.
Why is it. When he is told that homosexuals are evil.
That good people who are not of god..are evil.
that not worshiping that which cannot be percieved or proved existent.
Is evil.
He gets angry? Not an anger at any individual. But a 'general' anger at US.

 

God isn't a concerned father or an ultimate creator.

It doesn't play favorites or support subversive conversion.

It isn't the ultimate 'Right' standing opposed to the ulitmate 'Wrong'.
Good and Evil are our inventions - a horrible way of describing the beautiful balance in the duality of reality.

 

POPthree13

Well Said.

Occam

 

Ditto.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

an entity outside one's mind, the keeper of the answer to life, a man, the author of the bible, real....

true. very very true.

 

"an entity outside one's mind, the keeper of the answer to life, a man, the author of the bible, real...."

Interestingly you are willing to accept that God might an entity within one's mind and yet you say its unreal? Are thoughts unreal? Are emotions unreal?

 

some very true things are being said here.

 

As far as I can see God just *isn't* -- period.

 

So when i masturbate and think about god i am doing it in vein?

 

god isn't my dog. cause i don't have a dog. oh get it dog, god. freaky

 

God is such a freak for coming up with bestiality. You know the only reason God does crazy stuff like that (and wars) is so we think God is cool. G's got my vote for coolness.

 

Take it to the christian forum, if you're looking to agitate, child.

We don't care about your sexual preferences.

 

Meishka

Occam is a rational being trapped in a human body.
He ate an apple.
[or so the myth goes]

Occam

 

i agree, myth. that is wat religon is. but the cristians take it too far. wen i think of america and the exucutions done in the name of god. i like the eastern religions like buddism as they seem more peaceful. but remermber grade school? i'm sure we all did a project on the greeks. why doesn't anyone follow the word of zeus? like he disappeared. wat the cathlolics and christians haven't realised is "god" is the same a zeus and he could be gone tommorow because he doesn't exist

 

All I can say is this, in every age, in every culture, in every part of the world, whenever anyone has transcended their biological, cultural, intellectual and religious preconceptions in order to have the mystic experience of seeing reality as it actually is, every one of them has described the same experience.

Surely this is, at the very least, a statistically improbable phenomenon that is worthy of attention.

Some of these Mystics (Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed and Lao Tsu, just to name a few) started religions that have thrived for hundreds or even thousands of years. Others, like Rumi, Valmiki, Hillel, J. Krishnamurti, Thomas Acquinas, Bodhidharma, Basho, Al-Hallaj, Meister Eckhart, and yes, even Bob Marley, brought considerable vitality to their traditions and inspiration to those to whom they communicated their "Vision."

Just a thought.

 

no, emotions and thoughts are very real.
what i meant was... people who ask questions of life and get answers, or believe that when they pray they are listened to, or that miracles happen because of a spiritual entity... really are a bit off the track. its all coming from within themselves.

yes, thoughts are real. but i believe that these people are mistaking their own powers of healing and spiritual enlightenment for someone/something that is outside of them.

 

You know what? Every single thing everyone has listed also applies to rocks... and the color blue... and most of the other concepts in the universe. Defining what something is not is an exercise in futility.

 

Varuna

Good point..
And what did they see?

Occam suggests they saw a god that was reason/love/logic/compassion.

Everything we have in our hands.
All we need do is live by them.

To weild ourselves as beings in ballance. Where Heart and Mind are in unity.
Maybe those great humans simply saw. What we can be.

Occam