What does sexually violate mean?

Discussion in 'Mind Trips' started by soulcompromise, Jan 14, 2022.

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Can you violate someone sexually without touching them?

  1. You can, by power of suggestion infringe on their personal context by innuendo

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  2. No, only when one physically touches you does it violate the boundary

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  1. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

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    Sexual Violation: Use of sexual contact behaviors that are unwanted by and/or harmful to another person, but do not involve penetration.

    Thread attempts to address sexual misconduct.

    Here is more on that...

     
  2. soulcompromise

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    I think you can.

    Let me give an example.

    Maybe 6 or more months ago, I went to a Starbucks. This was well into my relationship with my fiance, and I didn't go to flirt.

    But I saw a woman who I'm acquainted with. She had changed her hair. I knew full well that I didn't mean to flirt with her. I really didn't...

    But in conversing with her, I commented on her hair, and its color.

    Well, she is a natural blonde, and somehow innuendo ended up there by osmosis. I didn't mean to. But that's a real uncomfortable one.

    If you're blonde, and the hair color is mentioned in a discourteous or overly casual way it might feel like someone is starting to ask about your other hair...

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    I've since gone on to openly acknowledge that whether it was intentional or not, it was in poor taste. Even if I'm perfectly comfortable dodging the facts, she may feel totally exposed, and ultimately sexually violated.

    Now. When is that okay?

    What if it's done as a punishment? Who is doling out the punishment with sexual innuendo? A judge? A jury?

    What sort of things are we comfortable subjecting someone to based on our version of justice?

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    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

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    Here is an exerpt:

    I would tend to agree. I think while it's important, prolonged exposure to psychological harm or deficit is significantly counterproductive.

    The perpetrators here are those public shaming. What I'm referring to is a years after-the-fact continuing of aggressive efforts to defame.

    The legal system provides every remedy imaginable for sex crimes. Now though, the public has made an art of exposing and further penalizing the convicted. This has lasting, damning, and damaging repercussions; not only for the convicted, but also for those perpetrating shaming.

    DISTRICT COURT HOLDS COLORADO SEX REGISTRATION VIOLATES 8TH AMENDMENT
    The registration systems for ex-inmates with sex offenses is state based. Congress decreed in the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act (SORNA) that every state would have a system, and then imposed a federal requirement on people convicted of sex offenses that they must register under penalty of law.

    [​IMG]The public loves state registration laws, because they like to identify and shame ex-offenders for crime committed years before, running them out of housing, hounding them out of jobs, and even trying to break up their families. Sounds like punishment? The Supreme Court said not, in Smith v. Doe, which in 2004 held that Alaska’s Sex Offender Registration Act (“SORA”) was not punitive.

    For a decade since it was handed down, Smith v. Doe shut down constitutional challenges to state SORAs. In the last few years, however, federal courts have been willing to recognize that the landscape has changed.

    A little more than a week ago, a Colorado district court recognized what anyone who has faced the burdens, obstacles, and dangers of life on the offenders registry already knows: the punitive impact of the state’s SORA far outweighs any value it might have in protecting the public. The district judge held that Colorado’s registration statute violates the 8th Amendment by imposing cruel and unusual punishment, and violates a registrant’s 14th Amendment procedural and substantive due process rights.

    The Colorado court held that Smith v. Doe’s “words ring hollow that the state’s website does not provide the public with means to shame the offender when considering the evidence in this case.” The Supreme Court “did not foresee the development of private, commercial websites exploiting the information made available to them and the opportunities for ‘investigative journalism’ or “the ubiquitous influence of social media.”

    [​IMG]The district court noted that Justice Kennedy, who wrote Smith v. Doe, said in last spring’s Packingham v. North Carolina decision that “the troubling fact that the law imposes severe restrictions on persons who already have served their sentence and are no longer subject to the supervision of the criminal justice system is… not an issue before the Court.” But it was in front of the Colorado district court, which said, “the evidence demonstrates that the very real restraints on Plaintiffs’ abilities to live, work, accompany their children to school, and otherwise freely live their lives are not simply a result of the crimes they committed, but of their placement on the registry and publication of their status…” Colorado’s SORA looks “far more like retribution for past offenses” than a public safety regulation, the Court said.

    This decision joins similar court ruling in Alaska, Maine, Michigan, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, and Pennsylvania. Given the significance of SORNA and the state schemes, Supreme Court review within the next few years is probable.

    Millard v. Rankin, Case No. 1:13-cv-02046 (D.Colo., Aug. 31, 2017)

    – Thomas L. Root

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    While I myself am not a convicted sex offender, I have been publicly targeted. I have had my fair share of sexual encounters, and though mostly mundane, some of you may recall the less consensual nature of one offense in partcular; the NASA daughter.

    Today I wonder why everywhere I turn there is something completely unscientific sporting a NASA logo. But perhaps it's a figment of my imagination. Incidentally, no comment from NASA on why their logo is at Old Navy. I guess it's a marketing thing...

    Here we have an interesting set of circumstances. The two of us were not the same ethnicity (she's lily white, and I'm sort of tan-ish) but given the context of dance culture that isn't unusual. We weren't under the influence of any substances; maybe we were drinking... but this was in 2004, and I don't remember.

    I implemented a toy. Without asking. And that's against the law.

    While there were no objections, I knew that was wrong.

    Later, she went to college in Hawaii, which I had suggested, for film or multimedia or something. Now she works construction for festivals; I only know this from looking for her on IG and email (years ago... before I met my fiance).

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    Well, even if there was no verbal objection, the objection is implied by default - I needed to ask, but I didn't...

    And now? Now I'm being publicly harassed. A lot. By everyone. It's not beyond me to make very visible what I interpret as happening. But when I'm tired of fighting reality, the options begin to blur. Should I hit someone? Will that drive home the point?

    No. It won't.

    But it would probably feel better than the blatant violation of character and credibility that is fairly consitently perpetrated.

    California, I'm looking at you.

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    Decades old, my crime is still fresh... why is this still a part of life?

    Salience bias.

    Members of society, who I've termed the court of public opinion (which is misleading; sometimes it's an isolated individual seemingly promoting an agenda of chastity or something) seemingly provoke through symbolism and their obstinate and aggressive non-verbal posturing & communication either focal aspects of the community that they want to prominently acknowledge, or sometimes things you may otherwise forget to openly acknowledge or choose to sweep aside or relegate to your subconscious in favor of focusing on happy frivolous banter, & your personal achievements rather than your shortcomings...

    Well, perhaps they can learn to instruct my psyche into upward mobility, achievement, and success.

    I have chosen to move on with my life. I mean to move on and forget my transgressions. =|

    There is a prevalent (in my area? locally?) cross-section of society that likes to remind you... Salience bias.

    I feel like it's psychological warfare... the sort of "not so fast" attitude about the behavior of others which I am objecting to is the sort of assertion that for whatever reason the individual (or group) deems relevant (crime? transgression?) you are incapable of forming a proper conclusion.

    Is there a missing part in the evaluation segment of my neuro pathways? Is it due to an imbalance in my brain chemistry that I'm moving forward without guilt? Do I need to be held to account because I'm unable to do so myself?

    Or am I just moving on with my life. Is there evidence that I'm not truly moving on? Would they like to expose that little fragment of truth? That I'm harboring "sin"? or hiding something from those I purport to "love"?
     
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    "Please use the poll!" :)

    I got a new job! And low and behold... something's fishy.

    I began to suspect something when non-verbal communication began to dominate the day... This is a form of communication that allows its user (or abuser; you can arguably use non-verbal communication in a very positive way) to convey an attitude or discourage a behavior without saying a word...

    Well, day one went well. And I'm satisfied with the pay. But this is my boss. Doing something weird without saying anything.

    When we talk it's professional (because I might be wearing a wire?). Then, just as was about to leave there were words...

    "XXX" came out of his mouth somehow in a pseudo-PC context... I had to laugh at that because who doesn't love a good porn innuendo at work?! (literally, I had to laugh to keep from puking). But maybe he's heard of my exploits and I've garnered enough infamy (somehow... wtf, I don't know this person).

    Then some comment about "nudity". I thought that was passe, but I guess not. It wasn't in my salient memory...

    Salience Bias - Biases & Heuristics | The Decision Lab












     
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    "So... we're anonymous, eh?"

    Does the fact that no one is stopping us from looking deteriorate society? Do we have salience bias about the internet? Does that influence marketing and advertising, retail clothing, and politics of the constituent? Are we reaping only what we sow when we turn to entertainment, flip on the tube, go to a movie, search on Google?

    What is stopping us from killing? stealing, raping, and murdering? Is the term "raping" more salient? or is workplace harassment? Well, the discussion is called "What does sexually violate mean", so this isn't totally about salience bias then... But it's also a poll.

    The poll poses a question for the participant:

    Can you violate someone's social boundaries and have it be sexual in connotation and innuendo? Or is that limited to the physical sphere?

    I will try to tell you some time why this conversation is important, if I ever catch my breath.

     
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    I highly recommend the Tesla (model 3? I think that's what it's called. Yeah, I'm sure.)

    That, and their space program is bound to be more interesting than whatever NASA is trying to sell at Old Navy...

    The moon landing, the Mars rover, and all the telescopes and satellites you've never heard of. Or whatever is more salient from your point of view... These are famous accomplishments. But they don't seem to be the focus of this branding, no...
     
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    with or without quotation marks?

    I like it with... more official*

    THAT little tidbit is actually on point with where I'm going to take this...

    I think this particular quote (the Decision Lab, not "Date Rape") is talking about the sound your car makes when you put in the wrong gasoline.
     
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    Penal Code 287 PC - Oral Copulation With a Minor (shouselaw.com) The penalties for PC 287 oral copulation with a minor depend on the ages of both the defendant and the “victim” at the time when the oral sex occurred.

    In my arrest the age difference was 2 or 3 years. In other instances, more like 9 years (they are 33, 34, and several others, I'm 42). Is that grounds to say I'm a pedophile? I don't think I am. But you may conclude anything you want. I will stand my ground and maintain that I didn't care about their ages.​

    To summarize, three months after I turned 19, I was arrested with my mistress (I had a gf, but this wasn't her...) under the influence or coming down from speed. She was 16 and would be turning 17 that next month.

    The age difference wasn't dramatic, but the police charged me with sex with a minor, and this: PC 287, which is California's penal code for engaging in oral sex with someone who is under the age of consent.

    It wasn't the only time I was with someone who was younger than me, and to be very direct about, I have been with women who were younger than that when I was older than that. The ages aren't important, and the statute of limitations is expired. The crimes are extinguished from recent memory and the only reason it's coming up now is because harassment continues; be it for this or other reasons, on the 101 freeway in California.

    Am I making it up? Am I being paranoid? come for a ride along. Look at my GoPro. Decide for yourself. Any police I've ever tried to tell have told me to go wave the flag somewhere else.

    The court of public opinion is no longer welcome in my life. I have made all the amends I'm going to make. I'm not atoning now, nor will I try to atone any more. The courtroom isn't going to charge me with anything other than reckless driving or speeding when I'm trying to illustrate for anyone in the vicinity that this treatment is unacceptable.

    Should I celebrate? No. Should I live in your or anyone's shadow? Also, a resounding NO.

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    Today, I have a young fiance. Age is a factor for us; actually, much more a factor than ever it was with any of the other 4...

    My fiance, who I call my wife, is a very close friend and we've known each other for 2 years; since early 2020 around April. I expect that the harassment will continue.

    I saw this article about Anderson Cooper's young (22 mo.) son Wyatt, and Kelly Ripa's 20-year-old daughter and I was instantly reminded... not of PC 287, but of the difference in age between myself and my wife.

    I'm ready to move on from this, but I would argue the rest of California (who ALL seem to be aware) is hanging on... Why?

    I have to go. I'm not trying to push this dilemma on anyone, but rather offer my situation as food for thought, and express my frustration.

    -SOulC


    Here is Anderson's son with Kelly Ripa's daughter. The article I saw said they're "in love". I had to roll my eyes, but it's true love for me and my wife; despite the significant age difference. :

    Anderson Cooper's Wyatt, 22 Months, Is 'In Love' With Kelly Ripa's Daughter Lola - YouTube

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    < --- This video is about schizophrenia, and it incorporates "salience" into the way we interpret and understand "schiz" disorder.
     

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