What do you consider psychedelic?

The technical definition of psychedelic is that the chemical must be a phenethylamine or a tryptamine. That includes all the classic psychedelics, Mescaline (phen), LSD and psilocybin (trypt). But, it doesnt include cannabinoids, as well as a handful of other plants and chemicals that have the potential to 'manifest the mind'. So, what do you consider to be the definition of psychedelic, and which plants and chemicals do you think fits the description?

A brief list of plants and chemicals to consider:

-Cannabis

-Salvia Divinorum

-Sinicuichi

-DXM

-Ketamine

Of course there are more, but Ill let you all decide.

 

I thought the technical definition of a psychedelic had absolutely nothing to do with what chemical conceptual jar we place it in and everything to do with its subjective effects.

Psychedelic: Mind Manifesting.

 

No that would be the practical definition. This is from Wikipedia: "Many pharmacologists define psychedelic drugs solely as chemicals that have an LSD- or mescaline-like action, working on the serotonin 5-HT2A receptor in the brain. This essentially means that tryptamines and phenethylamines are the only real psychedelics, as none with such an action from other chemical families have been discovered, with the possible exception of some piperazines and benzodifuranyls. Some people have applied the term psychedelic to other hallucinogens including dissociative NMDA receptor antagonists such as phencyclidine, dextromethorphan, and ketamine, tropane deliriants such as atropine, and other psychoactives such as Amanita muscaria and Salvia divinorum."

You may have missed the point. What I meant was which plants and chemicals are psychedelic to you? Like amanitas for example, Ive never taken them, but I have heard that theyre nothing more than deleriants. On the other hand, they were worshipped for thousands of years as being gods above all other gods, so they must have something to teach someone, but not everyone, you know? Conversely, yopo is a strictly defined psychedelic, and yet I dont believe I had any spiritual or intellectual discoveries with it. Ive only used it twice, though, and it may need some getting used to before it can teach anything.

 

cannabis and mdma are highly mystical or psychedelic to me. hell even opiates and alcohol can be. Never tried K but that one's def. a psychedelic. since anything can be a meditation, anything can be a psychedelic.

 

labels suck

how the flip am i supposed to interact with a language system like this when my sober life is 100% psychedelic?

rocks and grass are psychedelics to me

 

I dont really care how you interact with the language system, if you dont like to speak english, then stop posting here. Burnabowl, that is an interesting observation, but personally Ive found opiates to shut off my higher thought processes. Small amounts of alcohol can be meditative though.

 

It's not english as a whole that i'm harping against here, it's the various definitions of 'psychedelic' used in this thread, which are a reflection of a system far bigger than "english", and far wider than "language".

what is the difference between a delirient and a psychedelic? why is amanita one or the other?

these are things that should be discussed in the same breath as a statement which you are looking specifically for, like "I, Mr.Writer, consider Cannabis psychedelic."

 

So why are you just pointing out the things that you dont like, rather than taking apart in the discussion? none of your posts have been helpful or informative, theyve just been kind of snide, like you know better than me. Well, if you do than share what you know. If you dont, than whats your point?

 

said the pot to the kettle...

 

lol ^^

 

i'm not being snide, i'm just floundering in ambiguity.

i would feel ok calling coffee and tea psychedelic as well, with their mental stimulant effects

 

In my opinion, and personal experience, psychedelics are anything that opens your mind to new ways of thinking and new ways of viewing the world around you, as well as new ways of exploring your own mind.

 

So I guess what youre saying is most drugs could be psychedelic, depending on how you use them? i could see that, except there are some drugs Ive taken that have never taught me a thing, oxycontin, hydrocodone, codeine, benzodiazapines, cocaine, etc. But nicotine can have some mind manifesting properties, especially hookah.

I get that youre trying to point out the ambiguity in my initial post, but thats what Ive generally heard refered to as the psychedelic families, the tryptamines and the phenethylamines. Tihkal and Pihkal, for example. That was my point, there are all these chemicals that dont fit the mold, so how do you feel about each of them? Im sure some people dont find cannabis psychedelic, but its the best meditative aid in my experience, so thats what Im trying to get at.

 

If you trip when you take it, it's a psychedelic.

I don't know what exactly that means, and definitely don't know how to put it in words, but when you are tripping, you know you are.

As far as anything borderline, for me: weed is not a psychedelic; salvia is close, but not really....and I don't like it. NO2, no.

Opiates, alcohol, coffee, etc, might affect my psychedelic life, but they are not psychedelics for me.

 

Well, what about PCP or datura? If you trip its a hallucinogen, but i dont think datura is a psychedelic, except for real shamans who know how to take it. And Ive never heard of any positive effects from PCP.

 

opiates have a lot to teach.
welcome to the void, my friend.
home alone

 

I don't really think psychedelic is a binding term; psychedelic (mind manifesting) implies subjectivity.

from a more objective standpoint, there are hallucinogenics, dissociatives, and deliriants classified according to how they affect the host organism's brain.

 

they've taught me "don't get addicted to opiates and have it ruin your life"


basically.

 

Oh.
Sorry that you could not walk away with more, my friend.
God Bless.