what connects the drugs heroin (opiates), cocaine and cannabis?

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  1. navajas

    navajas Member

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    I mean there is so much in common between these 3 drugs. They were the first drugs used for pleasure, I know ancient plants n funghi such as peyote and mushrooms were used way before, how ever they were used for spiritual, cermonial and entheogenic reasons. Heroin (opiates), cocaine and cannabis were the first used for the purpose of getting high, n they were the first introduced to the western world. They were also the first drugs to be made illegal. Another thing is that theyre the most famous 3 drugs in most parts of the world, ask anyone even if uneducated about drugs n he knws about these 3. Some third world countries dont know about drugs like, mdma, lsd, ketamine, meth etc, however heroin, cocaine and hashish all come from developing countries. They are the 3 drugs that most drug cartels grow, revolve around n make money from and they are the 3 drugs found in every ghetto, every dealer there has to have them. The 3 of them, hashish in the case of cannabis, r processed from plants, n usually theres a tradition in processing them. Plus they r the only 3 drugs which are planted in vast amounts outdoors, huge fields off opium poppies, coca bushes and cannabis plants are out there. Every gangster movie has to have atleast one of these drugs, u never see ecstasy in a gangster movie. Last thing, these r the 3 drugs that the dea are most concerned with. Oh n they are the drugs of rock n roll.
     
  2. Magical mystery tourguide

    Magical mystery tourguide Senior Member

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    Yeah you pretty much summed it all up. It seems like all other drugs will come and go and those will be the ones that have always been there.
     
  3. navajas

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    yeah exactly, they r the classics...
     
  4. Geneity

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    Cocaine, Heroin, and Cannabis?

    You're forgetting the most obvious one of all, Alcohol.
     
  5. Magical mystery tourguide

    Magical mystery tourguide Senior Member

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    He means illegal drugs
     
  6. Geneity

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    Oh. Alcohol was illegal for awhile. Law is just law. It means nothing in the grand scale that you're talking.
     
  7. kil0

    kil0 The Rebel

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    even tho some places dont have acid, its the best drug in the world. tripping is the best experience humans can have, after sex. and opiates are right behind lsd.

    of course im not even counting weed. that shit aint no drug, i smoke it like it was ciggarettes.
     
  8. Geneity

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    Haha it's funny because cigarettes are fucking terrible for you.

    Weed is one of the greatest things on earth, and so are psychedelics.
     
  9. kil0

    kil0 The Rebel

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    ^yep.

    but I meant that i smoke weed like nothing daily. the only side effects are hungry, happy, and sleepy. that shit aint no drug.

    although the only negative side effect I ever had with weed is, when I got locked up, I couldnt sleep for like 4 or 5 days. I was so used to smoking right before going to bed that when I went 2 jail and I didnt have no weed, I couldnt sleep for a couple of days. it went away though.
     
  10. StonerBill

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    There is a very simple answer to the question: what connects the drugs: opiates, cocaine, and cannabis?

    Along with nicotine, the other consistently popular drug, and caffeine, these five drugs represent two essential conditions:

    Grow from the earth
    Are not psychedelic/very psychedelic
     
  11. navajas

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    actually thats quiet true, these r the naturally occuring non psychedilic drugs... dmt, mescaline, psilocybin, salvia, lsa are all naturally occuring but are too psychedelic. ketamine, lsd, mdma, meth, pcp, benzos, rcs, amphetamines are chemicaly synthesised... but what about alcohol? what would u consider it? n why growing from earth n not being psychedelic give these drugs so much populairty?
     
  12. Geneity

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    Alcohol is technically natural, as is amphetamine and methamphetamine. But these three are synthesized for mass production. I mean alcohol is still made naturally because it's fermented but it takes a lot of machinery to distill the ethanol. However things like beer and wine are simply made and sold, not even distilled. So all in all I guess it's natural. But it feels more semi-synthetic. You don't just find wine, beer, and ethanol in drinkable form in nature.
     
  13. navajas

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    amphetamines arent natural... even though ephedrine is used in the process of synthesising them, however unlike cocaine theyre not extracted from a plant, ephedrine is only part of the synthesis, not extraction... i knw some plants contains small amount of amphetamines, however amphetamine producers never use them, instead they chemically synthesise them in labs...
     
  14. Geneity

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    And? just because they're not taking them from the plants, they were still around before we synthesized them. We synthed them and thought we had made a discovery until we found them in Acacia trees. Nature had created them fist.
     
  15. navajas

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    i knw, however meth used these days is chemically synthesised, however cocaine, morphine and hashish come from plants...
     
  16. Geneity

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    That'sonly because it's FAR more cost effective to synthesize amphetamine and methamphetamine than trying to pull them out of those huge ass trees that are slow growing. Opium poppies grow prolifically and can be grown is mass quantities. Cocaine is difficult to synthesize and is much easier to pull out of the plant. Not to mention it's not exactly being done professionally mostly because it's quite illegal.

    Hash isn't even possible to synthesize. It's the definition of the extract from the Cannabis plant....
     
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    hash can be synthesised if there is such a thing as synthetic thc.. them amphetamines r more natural than alcohol arent they? because ethanol is the result of fermentaion, its not naturally occuring? am i right or wrong?
     
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    Fermentation is a natural process . .

    Tell me,
    where does methamphetamine occur in nature?
    Other than....the labs
     
  19. navajas

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    i heard it occurs in acacia trees...
     
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    Some chemical compounds found in Acacia rigidula
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    Acacia rigidula Bark


    • 3,4,5-Trihydroxy-phenethylamine (demethylated mescaline)[3]

    However these findings have never been confirmed or discussed and are considered by some to be unlikely and a product of contamination or a hoax. Some of the apparently found phenylethylamines were previously only known as man made and their discovery would have been quite revolutionary. Also the authors of the 1998 study did not answer written requests.

    actually i feel much better, id hate it if nature carries such a nasty dirty compound as meth... call me an idiot but to me cocaine n morphine have their uses n earn there place in nature...
     
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