what about people who don't "get turned on"

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^^I see people like that every day. It makes me wonder, how can a drug have such a profound experience on me, yet it seems like it's nothing more than a game to them. I was talking to a kid in my music class, and I asked him about a trip he recently had(x). He replied, "it was trippy dog". Wtf? It's a trip , of course it's gonna be "trippy". It seems to me that their trips are just about as mundane as they are.

 

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I think it depends on the person, not really on the drug, I mean the drug is gonna affect everyone different depending on who they are. I really don't dig it, the let's get fucked up thing, there's nothing else about it. But sadly I have this discover that the majority of ppl that use drugs, do it in this way.. I guess that's what gives drugs a bad name.

But I'm not really talking about the persons that are "economical" on their speaking, I mean on their head, the can have this amazing, vivid, mind expandind experience.. and still say nothing about it. Just enjoy their trip in silence, or totally the opposite. I go from side to side.. sometimes I would not say a word, and get sumerge in my own little world, wich is a real peaceful, in touch with the inner self experience. Or get in the have you ever think about?? or noticed? to what some people would comment, you think to much.. like it was something bad??!! (well.. sometimes it is, but that's another story).
The other day, I was at a friend's house, I only knew 2 guys there, and the other 4 were new to me. We smoked a blunt, they did some coke.. while I just sit there and analized the scene. It was so disturbing, to see like this people cared more about the drug, than anything else. But I guess that's what coke does to some , or must people. I really don't like this drug because I feel you learn nothing from it. That day, wich was very recent, made me feel kinda dissapointed, because even though I know Im different, and use drugs in a different way. I can't help but think that people in general see me as I was seing them. As a person with an empty head, that just needs a boost to have fun??

 

you're right. it's important to consider that they may just not be saying and are having a profound experience. i wonder if people are just afraid to talk about their trips. it seems like lots of people are afraid to talk about anything but pop culture, politics, and stuff they know very little about firsthand. i'd much rather hear firsthand stories from friends than their opinions on "big shit"....how can you actually think seriously about, say, your opinion on a new album, when you can't even describe the 6 hours you spent tripping hard?

 

I do most drugs to feel good, to get fuct up. But emphisize MOST, every phsycadelic i have done, shrooms, 2c-b, etc, have been very positive and mind opening experiences. It does boggle my mind when i talk to some ignorant jackass, who says yea i took acid it was crazy shit, and im like yea no shit but what did you learn, and they look at me like i just spouted off the alphabet in manderine.

 

tell people like that "were so fucked up trippin nuts" to go stare infront of a mirror trippin face. if they can handle it, they wont leave the room without learnin something.

 

For me and my friends, it's both ways. We take drugs just to get fucked up sometimes, but then other times we all have very deep experiences that have a lasting effect on us. It's not always about the mental or spiritual experience. Sometimes it's about the physical experience, which I think can be just as important for growth.

 

I am the type of person this thread is about, I think what you learn while on drugs isn't real, its just something your brain made up. Whenever you get high and think about religon and phlsopihy it is just wrong. When you attempt to think deeply while on drugs it is just a cheap substtitute for real analization of what life is really like. If you don't belive me just record or write down what you think of while high, then read it sober and see if it still holds up. In the case of me and my friends it never does. Drugs can only make a stupid idea seem smart, not give you any real insight. "But thats just my oppinoin. I could be wrong."

 

some people are like man i blanked out and when i woke up i saw zombies coming after me and then i cantremeber rest of night

i think when you trip its just your "true" self showing people who think bout life and religon and peace and love are the ones with life changing trips
just my opinion though

 

i disagree to Turn's theory. I think that it only looks stupid when your sober because you dont see the link you saw when you were stoned. Youd see the plain level perception of the thought processes, but when your high, you see deeper ideas and things.

 

unless of course you are jsut dumb

in which case then yeh, youll be talking outta your arse

 

I don't agree either, I have come up with excelent toughts while on my high, and I have recorded some.. and writeen others, and when i read them I'm like wao..all that came from me. I love when that happens, is like meeting a new side of you that has been hidden.

 

Ok... You know when you go to a concert that you could take or leave and you see the die hard fans while your just the casual observer. Ok reverse the roles and change it to drugs. Thats us. We are true pychonaughts seeking something more than a good time from our drugs. Judge not lest ye be judged my friends. You have to relize we are a different breed. We are not the norm. As much as we would like to believe that a majority of people who drop acid have that profound wow moment. My Community Service officer was telling me about how he used to drop acid at 13 and just go to school looking at fucked up colors.Ot happens people. I've done drugs a few times to just get fucked up. You should try it yourselves, it can be rewarding as well. To just let go and get wasted recklessly.

 

yeh msot ppl I know who get stoned (though thats less that what were tlaking about here) jsut do it to get fucked up, not to open themselves up to sensual exploration and creative journey. of course even stoners such asd myself sometimes jsut wanna fuck ourselves up.. but overall tehre is a lack of people who look at drugs as really amazing tools, they sjut see them as benig fucked up tools, and so does everyone who doesnt take drugs.

 

i hope it's clear i ain't judging. i think i really had it in my head that most people consider themselves to be psychedelic seekers.. bummer

 

It's very weird, this concept. I think some people have been taught that certain things are just how they are in the world and don't care very much to keep an open mind. Some people seem to have a profound experience and either don't want to share it or misinterpret it.

Another oddity with psychadelics specifically are the people who while tripping seem to get a lot out of it and the next day they're just back to normal. I wonder if it's because they don't remember, don't understand the same mindset anymore, or if they disreguard the drug experience as a thing of recreation only and invalid as a source of spirituality.

It's very frustrating that mushrooms are my favorite drug. I take a long time planning out each trip and strategically place them in my life so that they help me analyze things and get back to my roots. Because of people similar to the ones you describe, I cannot share with hardly anyone my absolute respect for mushrooms. It's part of my spirituality, which comes along with plenty of high and sober thought.

 

some people just want to get high

Their not looking for anything deep.

 

yo man. i feel for you on that. my friend tried tripping this summer for the first time. i've explained to him how greatly its affected my day to day mindset, but he just won't talk about it. he conceded that he feels "different" now, but wouldn't elaborate, so i don't know what to think. the only person i've met who openly talks about trips is this girl who has tripped lots...so much, i almost doubt she cpuld have a choice in whether she takes it seriously. problem is, i'm afraid to trip with her and try to understand her because i consider tripping to be so sacred i feel like i'd be overstepping bounds of her boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with a good friend of mine. ugh... i just want people who will trip with me and can share experiences...looking at each other, talking to each other, looking at shit together, listening to music together. good luck. be joyful man! peace
BRAD

 

Come on now. You can't seperate the material from the non material. If you didn't work, eat, sleep, whatever in your everyday life, then you would not be able to have your nonmaterial life. I've found a lot of peace by embracing the material side of everyday life. Being self-indulgent really helps too.