Were getting too close to a draft!

Were getting too close to a draft! And our children may be being deceived. Is it just me or is the United States coming too close to initiating a draft? We have more and more exposure to army and navy commercials. I attend a school which gives us a news feed called the channel 1. Each day there is a pro-army commercial and some event sponsored by the army. If they aren't brainwashing the children of today then I don't see a reason to have so much exposure. Army recruiters also have access to the personal information of every high school student who doesn't opt out, but the school has never informed us that we have that option and I doubt many others have. We need to protect kids from being deceived with propaganda and lies, tell the government that we don't want them to have our kids information

For kids in high school you can opt out

http://www.militaryfreezone.org/opt_out

Others can sign the petition

http://www.militaryfreezone.org/petition

Then you can inform others, then take it to the hill

Write congress!

This shouldn't be allowed anymore!

www.MilitaryFreeZone.org

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George is gonna do as much damage as possible while he's still in office. Pull out all the stops, I figure. He can do a tremendious amount of damage in two more years, even with a democratic congress, etc. Jesus, I just wish everybody had their priorities and realities straight and just refused to do it any more.

 

You know, we're really not likely to experience a draft. Infact, what HAS been happening is two main things, both of which I consider to be exercises in barrel-scraping, given the timing of these proposed measures...

But before I get into those, lemme just make it clear to you and everyone else here that I fully support a massive movement to empower the youth of America to avoid choosing military service for lack of any other economic opportunity in the workforce. As an actively serving member of the United States Army who joined straight out of high school for just that reason, I am a living testament of what you are encouraging folks here to counter.

MOVING ON...

The first is the abolishment of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell code in our military, thereby opening it up to homosexuals. Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe that we need to overturn this ludicrious homphobic measure, but it just started getting a considerable amount of momentum in the Pentagon as recently as the Congressional elections.

The second is the proposal to open up recruiter offices in foreign nations, and further fast-track foreign citizens on their quest to achive U.S. citizenship. I have no problem with people coming to this country; I look down on groups like the Minutemen Project with absolute disgust, that such groups are, more or less, fronts for abunch of 'cultural purity' advocates, i.e. Neo-Nazis, Brownshirt Nationalists. However, the military, to fufill the present mission that Bush is desperately trying to push forward as a cover for his true motivations in Iraq, needs a lot more fresh bodies, and several more divisions are being asked for. If this isn't a clear case of mass recruiting of mercenaries, then I'm at a loss for words. I do know from my own experience in the Army that this would create a huge national security gap; this sham of a Global War on Terrorism is a war of information, and the agencies that are in the Department of Defense that are tasked with information security are already backlogged as it is.

As a final note, watch out for Bush and Co to start churning out the 'sacrifice' message to the media conglomerates, and arm yourselves with the truth, that this is not a war about sacrifice for the common good, but, infact, a war to enrich the pension plans of Cheney and the Good ol' Boys...

 

I agree.

 

Making military service the only viable option for employment is in essence a draft that only encompasses the poorest amongst us.

 

It's interesting that this administration is granting fast track citizenship to illegals that are willing to put themselves at risk. It will be interesting to see how many take advantage of this generous offer.

 

As cynical as i think you are gardener. You make a good point.

 

Well I think everyone should serve thier country (NOT GOVERMENT) but also under the idea that we are trully neutral and we are not currently.


SO ditch the UN, alias ect, become a neutral country and then yup good idea for not so much a draft but rather a program like Switzerland.

 

Yes I am cynical. About this whole conflict. And any future conflicts our corporate government wants to get us into. I would wish that only those that truly espouse the reasons for going to war would sign on to lose their lives. But I know that many that can't find other gainful employment will succumb to the promise of wages for a job they can be hired to perform. They will go and kill and be killed in order to send money home to their families. If that's not the most mercenary state of affairs I don't know what is. And it's what makes all this possible.

 

You know what's funny? After the Vietnam war ended, many folks back then thought we (as a culture) had finally learned our lesson when it comes to war. Not only was the lesson not learned, there are many former-radicals who are now encouraging war.

You boomers are like a thorn inserted into my eyeball (gardener is an exception to this rule). Now let's hear all the defensive replies!!

Also, I hope you guys are aware of PNAC (project for a new american century) which contains members such as Rumfeld and Cheney. In this document, it states that their longterm goal is to establish (their own words): "Full Spectrum Dominance". That is, global domination in the most literal sense of the term. I suggest researching PNAC and how it relates to 9/11 truth.

 

You have a fair point, i imagine the sweat of the poor will push this war forward. That arguement is not beyond my reasoning. I 'espouse' this war on a daily basis. I'de sign up in a heart beat if i could, or if i would be allowed. Even if i was not allowed, i'de still 'espouse' the war. On many years of reflection i fully support this war. I'm no longer argueing my position, unless i hear a original point of view. It is my right to think any way i like. I hope you respect that. I'de not go to kill, i'de go and defend peoples rights to vote, and live in peace. I'de not shoot off a round if i could help it. Not a likely scenario, i know.

 

That's your option MB, why can't you join up? I don't think the war in Iraq or Afghanstan has anthing to do with our rights to vote or live in peace, but if you believe that then you have the right to fight your righteous battle.

 

I'm too old [30]. I'de not get in. Unless you know of new regulations. I'm not talking about 'our' rights to vote or live in peace, i'm talking about those within Iraq and Afghanistan .

 

ETT, the PNAC has disbanded officially in order to still run things from the sidelines,,,but to bring them up is to be discredited. I watched the peace rally that took place in Washington, before our congress voted to give Bush free reign. They forecasted everything that has come to pass, but when they were protesting the rest of our nation was waving flags and calling for vengenance. Has it been satisfying I wonder? They promoted arresting the protesters and many stood by and said they were full of shit, but who's full of shit now? The protesters that said that war with Iraq would intensify world hate and terrorism. The Veterans that said that war is not a solution? Those that tried to tell you it was all about the control of oil? But some of you still question that. What was it about?

 

I thought the cut off was 32? have you gone to your local recruiter.

Actually it's been raised even higher. You would qualify MB:

http://www.army.com/news/item/2076

 

what i dont understood about war, is that why dont the american people vote for going into military action or not? our country getting into a war causes americans in general to look like they support it all because the politicians choose too.

I think we should have a draft, but different than the one that has happened. if the govt officials want to have any military conflict happen outside US borders, the people should vote on it. if the vote says we will go to war, thats when the draft kicks in.

the draft is based on a tier system. the first to get drafted are the people who voted for the war between the ages of 18-45. if they think that the country should go to war then they should prove their dedication by doing the fighting. if the person is too old to fight, they get an extra tax to help pay for the war. if somehow they get wiped out the second tier would be the people who diddnt vote yes or no. obviously they dont care whether or not tehre is a war so they wont care if they are part of the fighting. 3rd and final tier would be the people who voted no. its highly unlikely that they would get this far anyway.

i diddnt come up with the idea, i read it somewhere. but i like it and think its a reasonable alternative. far too many people who support war are not willing to fight themselves and content to sit on their ass in a nice leather chair watching the news from an airconditioned room. this would also probably boost voting turnout since people who normally wouldnt vote, but dont support dont wanna get caught in the middle so they would put in their vote

 

It seems i would.

Saturday, 6 January 2007
The maximum age for Army recruits has been raised from 26 to 33, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has confirmed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6236345.stm

I'll most deffinitly think about it now. I need to keep up.

 

Go join up MB 42 is the cut off now.

Mr. Morrison, that sounds like a plan. But I waited when our congress voted to give the president authority...for them to ask questions. They didn't seem to have any wonder why? I watched Collin Powell as he presented his pictures of porta potty trucks to the UN as proof of WMD and thought what the fuck. It was obvious to me the pictures he presented were not proof, but they seemed to be proof enough for our congress. Who was in whose pocket?

 

What about those that chose to go to war, but do not want to fight. I appreciate the idea. it has merits, and would make us all think. I just think. We have a armed force, who are willing and able. What about them, would they have the right to say 'no' why can they not do our bidding ?.
I think it hurls up to many contradictions. It is a fairly good idea though.

 

I'm not one for the adage ''Go enlist'' it is a bit of a cliche and a bit unfair.

I am from the UK, i hope you realise. I have actualy been to the recruitment offices about 3 years ago. I'll pop in on Wed'. I don't feel any requirement to go 'enlist' though.