Some people around here keep calling marijuana a hallucinogen. I always thought it wasn't. I've never had hallucinations on marijuana. Any images I see are really just things in my surroundings that my mind has altered, so it seems to be something else. An oddly shaped shadow can turn into anything to the stoned person. A true hallucination exists independant of anything in the environment, it lives in the mind. So, anyone know for a fact, one way or the other?
Weed is a hallucinogen, albeit pretty mild one. I mean, if you eat just a little bit of shrooms, your not gonna trip, you will feel different though. I've heard stories of people smoking a huge amount of weed and getting mild visuals.
sometimes while not on weed i hallucinate that things that are not weed are weed, until I get closer to them.
I wouldnt say it was a hallucinogen as seeing things that are not there at all. If I have some really high mids, to KB. I experience what I like to call the "morphing effect". Especially if someone is driving me around. I will see lights in the distance and it will look just like a car comming toward us and then when we get close to the object it changes from looking like a car to what it really is, just reflectors on someone's mail box or beside their driveway. That only happens when I'm driving in town somewhere, if I'm on the backroads where I live I dont see stuff like that. I can be staring straight ahead and out of the corner of my eye everything is moving in super fast speed. Like when the girl thats drivign lights up a cigarette, it looks like she grabs the pack super fast, puts the cigarette in her mouth lights it, smokes, takes it out, smokes, just like waaaaaaaaaaay faster than normal, and if I look directly at her its still doing that then it slowly starts to slow back down. But thats only if we get really good weed, and I smoke a lot of it.
i usually only have "hallucinations" due to paranoia. Like ill look outside and see a bush and i will think its my mom. One time i smoked so much that everything looked so far away, and i was having visuals, not seeing any particular objects, just colorful patterns. also, weed produces auditory hallucinations, right?
eh, well its different for everyone, i think. who cares what weed is really truly 'considered'. but i mean, for me, its not like i tottaly halucaniate ...i just halucaniate alot in my mind, you know? and yeah i get alot of closed eyed visuales too and actualy i feel like im there..it seems similar to like the 'lucid dreaming' stuff like haha one time on 420, i was with this guy that i didnt realy like 'that way' and he tried 2 like kiss my neck and either my eyes were closed or open(4got), but i jus saw myself like in the 'pherstoric' times(cant spell..you know, the dinosuar age) and like in this puddle, surrounded with red sand and red moutains and as i felt him tryna kiss my neck, i felt like and saw that he was like a raptor taking a juicy, bloody bite from my neck so i screamed and told him to get the hell off of me! man that was scary!
i always hear people "hallucinate", but i never really have. I seem to mistake alot of things for another thing when im high, but i never see anything that really isnt there. Maybe when im really extremly high i see colors, but thats about it.
I have hallucinated from weed before. The first time i did a gravity bong...i was high as hell and everything was getting bigger and smaller randomly and it wasn't laced weed.
yea ive gotten those sometimes too but i just figured its because my eyes were so cashed and shit ionno... but yea, CEVs ROCK! i love just chillin listenin to hendrix and closin my eyes and seeing things.
The only time ive "hallucinated" when stoned was about the 5th time i had ever smoked. It was crazy good weed covered in crystals and the 4 of us each smoked 2 fat bowls off of a bong. I was so high that i had no idea what was going on around me, anything couldve happened and i wouldnt have cared i was so spaced out. About 5 minutes later everything in my line of vision started fading to a dark gray color and i started to see little blue shapes like small triangles and rectangles and squares, outlined in red, and connected to every other small shape by a thin white line. It was the most amazing thing ive ever seen when high. They would just float around and kindof dance about to the rhythm of my thoughts. Im pretty sure the weed was laced with something though. Have no idea what it could have been.
Weed is NOT a hallucinogen... PERIOD. Want me to break it down? Ok.. For something to be a hallucinogen, it has to have hallucinogenic compounds and/or substances. Like Shrooms for instance... its hallucinogenic "active ingredient" is psylocybe... which has those compounds in it that make you trip... for you to TRIP, something needs to CHANGE (NOT ALTER [which is what weed does]) your visual and/or audio, and/or bodely functions for a period of time. Weed on the other hand, slightly alters SOME visuals, audios, or body functions you may experience. This is not tripping, because you have COMPLETE control of what you are experiencing when under weed's influence. Basicly weed just makes you fuck with yourself... thats it. This is why people can drive high, and be perfectly fine, unless they are idiots. You can CONCENTRATE... all it does is alter the cannabinoid receptors in your brain, thats it. This is THE answer... you cant prove it wrong, its SCIENTIFICLY proven, WEED DOES NOT CAUSE ANY TRIPPING. Thanks =)
Seeing things in bushes or whatever isn't really hallucinating, it's just misinterpreting sensory data. And as far as seeing colors, shit, I can rub my eyes a little and see colors, that's no hallucination. I dunno, just doesn't seem like a hallucinogen to me.
Whenever I trip it's usually my environment morphing. Walls breathing, spirals, "The Matrix Letters" on the walls. That's shrooms though, never done acid. I think that the reason they classify weed as a hallucinogen is because in health class they classified EVERY drug as either being a stimulant, a depressent or a hallucinogen. Since weed has all three qualities it kind of pisses them off. Also, they can lump weed into the same catergory as PCP and Ketamine, which aren't 'real' hallucinogens (ala mescaline and LSD) but are dissasociative analgesics.
^^ nice sig.. those things are really cool... before i did LSD, i NEVER really hallucinated.... after i did though, sometimes when i get REALLY baked i have little flashbacks, like everything going really grainy, or as someone else said, the whole "walls breathing" thing though....
lets break down teh basics visual interpretation: with normal vision, teh brain takes sensory information, then recognises what it is, then relays this to the consciousness. when stoned, teh brain recognises more indirectly. it takes some visual cues more seriously than others, giving the impression your looking at something different. when your on acid, it seems, your brain doesnt just take certain visual cues from your sensory information but also takes cues from your imagination/memory, or from any part of your brain really, which is why teh wierdest things have been reported. at any rate, there is clearly an element of taking cues from the imagination when stoned, from CEV's. Not everyone reports them but wheni close my eyes i see the most wierdest things. the thing is that when my eyes are open, these CEV's are still there but i cant see them unless im looking at a plain screen, like a wall or the sky. when i close my eyes, all i see is them. now what happens when the brain modifies what your seeing so much that it not only appears to be something else but actually has differnet shape and colour? this has happened to me once. not for long, but the memory mwill stick with my forever. I was looking at my friend and in my periferal of his lower body, he was sitting on a recliner, and hiw whole bottom half suddenly turned into a magnificent blue and red plume that was waving around like a mermaids tail, in colours that were not there and in movements that were nonexistant. he went 'bill?' and i snapped out of it. regardless, the fact was that this was more than simply recognising something as something else, the physical nature of what i saw was different tehre was no red around and he was wearing dull jeans. besides this i cant recall any such experiences but thats not the point. the point is that something is going on here with the CEV's that some peope report, and the extend to which things change so much that they no longer can be called a misinterpretation. for example, moving misinterpretations. seeing dwarves move is one ive experienced and heard various stories of. if the item itself doesnt move, but you interpret it to, does that qualify for enough imaginatory-influence to be a hallucination, or does the fact that it comes from a cue in te first place disqualify it? i think most people are just being asses for some reason, its clear that if someone sees something that isnt there, more than just recognising an object as soemthing else, then it simply IS seeing something thats not there, and halluciating. just because YOU dont experience thigns off weed doesnt mean other people dont. people need to be less up themselves and thinkning their brains are definitive. there are some things that other people report that ive never felt, and things that i see that majority of people dont see. in order to learn anything you need to realise that experiences are personal and every single experience is a different thing for every person, its just that most of the time the experiences are so similar that there is no notable difference. or at least, the output, or expression of the experience cannot be distinguished properly. in the end 'trip' is a word, as it 'hallucinagen'. people make out that these words have some status to them, when they really dont. a trip simply requires going somewhere you arent, either going into your mind totally like a very strong psychedelic experience, or having your surroundings change so much so that they are interpreted as another place. the former mis simply a much more impressive trip. why the hell does this issue keep oming up lol its the same shit all teh time, half te people saying you cant trip, giving heaps of semantic reasons that mean nothing and the other half talking about all the wierd things theyve experienced and reporting other peoples experiences. who CARES if someone calls something a hallucination that you wouldnt call. as long as they say what it is, then you know what they saw, so tehres no problem with communication. obviously it was wierd enough for THEMfor them to classify it so. the mind IS subjectivity dont treat reported drug experiences as objective reports, EVER IF you wanna know if your gonna hallucinate on weed, then smoke some and see
