We need better hate speech laws in the USA

Discussion in 'Politics' started by unfocusedanakin, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Denying the Holocaust (done for no other reason than racial/religious)
    Encouraging people to be violent to race of person
    Using slurs in general such as fag or kike

    Not that you should do prison time for saying fag but it's hate speech.
     
  2. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    Hey it let you say kike

    Remember when HF used to automatically blank out kike to k***?
     
  3. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice I Am Only An Egg Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    What is a person says cracker or honky?
     
  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    I'd support that as a racially rude term. Although personally I notice that cracker is always the go to for white people who want to compare it to nigger. I can see it offends them so I would hope they apply that thought to others. For this white man even though it can be said he does not want it said.

    It's not really the same but sure it's said by people who have an issue with their race. The history is not the same. It's a rude word but it does it carry the same oppression? No, it's not like anyone ever said a cracker is 3/5th of a person or that a cracker had to use his own drinking fountain.

    But to be fair it's a slur.
     
  5. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice I Am Only An Egg Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    So it wouldn't be prosecuted? And what about saying nigger in a rap song? What about derogatory comments about women in rap songs?
     
  6. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    As I said speech in general is not an arresting offense. As far as rap I guess it's how it's always been. White people say it and they are deemed racist. A black person can say it.

    Nigga vs. nigger

    one is a friend one is not human.
     
  7. storch

    storch The compliant

    Well what do you want done?
     
  8. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Laws similar to Germany regarding public displays and demonstrations of Nazi values. Which in America we apply to the KKK and the white power/ Nazi movement. They seem to think of themselves as different but all 3 seek essentially the same politcal goals.

    If for example Charlottesville was flat out illegal it goes a long way to help America. It also does not affect "free speech" in theory just the public's right to their own free speech.

    We have normalized it, that the is the problem. So lost in the ideal of America we loose what it really means. We all have ancestors who fought Nazis.

    How do you think this kind of talk goes in 1943? I think America then would say we have free speech we also do not have Nazis here.
     
  9. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    You mean like Goodloe Sutton — the publisher of the Democrat-Reporter newspaper in Linden, Alabama — who called for the return of a white supremacist hate group –
    The KKK to “night ride again and clean out Washington D.C.”

    The first part is free speech but when asked to elaborate what he meant by cleaning out Washington D.C. he said “We’ll get the hemp ropes out, loop them over a tall limb
    and hang them all” – that’s borderline Hate speech.

    Now if one of his readers follows up on that and references Goodloe Sutton's article, shouldn't he also be held accountable?
     
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  10. lion1978

    lion1978 Member

    No we don't really have any colonies left to sell
     
  11. lode

    lode One Man Orgy

    Greenland?
     
  12. lion1978

    lion1978 Member

    Yes we have Greenland and faroe island however weether they are technically collonies I am not sure
     
  13. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

    You really think a few idiots are going to convince the majority to believe that the holocaust never happened? Let's say, for sake of argument, these few ifiots managed to convince everyone that the holocaust never happened. Now what? Believing or denying the holocaust, in it of itself, has little to no affect on the event itself or my personal life.

    Inciting violence is already illegal.

    Sticks and stones. It's no worse than being called a curse word.
    But you're the one advocating that hate speech should be illegal, right?
     
  14. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Different words have different degrees of hurt to them. It's not a sticks and stones thing. It's interesting to me some Americans are so passionate about defending Nazi's specificity. Always on the idea that they are so unimportant. Like you said who cares they are so few everyone knows the Holocaust happened. So let's let Nazis exist because somehow that is what American is about. It's just impossible to censor this. We have to allow it.

    Yet they worry so much about the "violent left" and how that's a problem. People who say they are ANTI fascist. I don't really hear the same moral argument for their public displays. Even among people who own guns they feel their protest is violent and therefor wrong. So what is a gun for?

    I think you are similar to other gun owners now in that you respect the principals of nationalism. You see in the alt-right that same love and protection of America. So you don't see what I call "hate speech" as hate you see it as red, white and blue America. The censorship you are concerned with is only that of loosing the gun and being forced to live in a mixed race and language society (the plan of the socialist left). You don't get it.
     
  15. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

    America is about free speech and built upon the the basis that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't step on other people's rights. Saying that the holocaust never happened or calling blacks the N word does not step on other people's rights, period.
    Key word there is violent. Unprovoked violence is never justified or right.

    When you have people bashing people over the head with bike locks, punching out people, start riots, and pepper spray people simply because you disagree with them, it's kinda hard to not call it violent.
    No, I do see it as hate. I just don't see most of what you listed as hate as something we can create a law and ban it as it will be a violation of the 1st amendment.

    A loose gun is liable to fall apart because the srews, pins, and bolts aren't tight. So yes, I do fear a loose gun. As for living in a mixed society, I have no fear of that. I'm black and I live in a predominantly white neighborhood. As for a mixed language, you can speak whatever you want, but you should learn English as it's the predominant language.
     
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  16. storch

    storch The compliant

    Oh me too! :grinning:
     
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