We need better hate speech laws in the USA

Discussion in 'Politics' started by unfocusedanakin, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Orison

    Orison my dog is full of walls Staff Member Super Moderator

    fuck the police is one thing..
    calling for death on them and their families is a far to much.. and rapist, I mean rappers have been getting away with murder for a long time with their pathetic lame played out raps killing whitey and police.

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  2. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    First it's not really un-democratic in nature to limit free speech. This already exists in America for public welfare and safety. Many confuse "foredoom" to mean they are free from consequence. If they face consequence they cry about it.

    So how do we deal with un-democratic ideas in society? Do we have no choice but to let them take away the very laws they use since we have a burden of morals they do not have?

    How do you explain Europe having laws like I mention and not going any furhtur? Some of these laws have existed since the 1940's yet there was never a point when people wanted to push for more and censor further.

    To to back to my UK example there was a case of man who taught his dog to do a Nazi salute. In theory he could have done a few years in prison. He did not in the end so you could say he had freedom of speech. The freedom to be an asshole. He was temporally in a court system set up to police that kind of thing but it would seem democracy survived in spite of this.

    In general I just don't have an interest since those who fight what I say are just not people with morals. It's more about racism than a moral ideal. Still, I see your point and despite what some thing in here I value freedom of speech, But it's not an excuse for racism or censorship on it's own,

    My issue is those who now say they deserve free speech do not give it to others. It's really as narrow as my own view. We both are taking our own moral stand twisting the law to fit a country we want.
  3. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    Message notwithstanding, damn there are some good rap songs in that compilation
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  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Firmer laws on public displays of the Confederate Flag and Swastika. Better protections for gay people that don't allow "religious freedom" to be a code word. And prison terms possible for any crime named as a hate crime. In theory the USA has this now but people get so upset over what "hate" is on party lines it often never comes up in the court room. They say all crime is hate which is true in a way.

    The Confederate flag should be limited to true historical or art displays similar to the German Swastika not just the norm on a lawn. Anywhere else just leaves it open to white pride. It has a history in America which should be documented just in the correct way.

    My girlfriend is from North Carolina. I am aware of what the flag means down there. It's not necessarily an anti-black thing. Personally though the only people I encountered who would protest my idea were also the types to use it a a white power symbol. I was happy to find southerners who felt the same as me. It's not totally who they are and they admit the ways the flag is used.

    Like in European countries the Confederate Flag is used in place of the Swastika. One has laws one does not. So clearly those outside America can see the same meaning as me.

    It's probably in line with the misuse of the term socialism relating to the USSR when discussing socialist policy. Some of the people who say it are hateful morons who don't understand history. Sometimes the person really makes you think "this is like Hitler".

    With Trump it's easy to say this is like Hitler as far as the racism and nationalist views. Every stereotype is a little true.
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  5. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Lol. Up until recently all I listened to was horrorcore rap so peeps was getting cut up left right and centre. :D and none of that made me a serial killer... Yet.. :p

    But it's still not the point is it? Because there's always some half-wit that thinks its too cool and then goes out there and does it.
  6. lion1978

    lion1978 Member

    Well do you consider Saudi-Arabia a Democracy? how about Syria is that a Democracy? China? north Korea?
    Yes it is in democratic in nature to limit free speech, besides if free speech is limited then it is no longer free speech is it?

    Every dog can raise it's paw while sitting down (at least ever one that I know of) so by that logic all dogs are Nazis?

    So you are saying that because I don't agree with you I have no morals and I am a Racist...Right maybe if you knew me you'd think differently. So Don't ever call me a racist again.

    The sad thing here is that you don't understand nor wish to understand the core values of demoracy, and that you don't see the irony of you hating someone so much that you wish for their democratic rights revoked, and by doing so truely want a dictatorship with the false pretence of democracy, such as one could arguably say is happening in Russia at the moment.
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  7. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Rofl, I have to see this dog. :sweatsmile:
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  8. AMS351996

    AMS351996 Transsexual Space-force Member

    "Hate speech is free speech/free expression", solve the political-legal-economic interest's-and-issues that blue-collar's (at the beginning pf the day)/black-collar's (at the end of the day) have, since it's the "maker's versus taker's", "lifter's versus leaner's", "movers versus shakers", "winner's versus losers", "earner's versus burners" and "have's versus have-not's" or "have's versus soon-to-have's" (according to mitt romney), in a cutting-edge high-tech fast-paced cut-throat top-down divide-and-conquer mostly-automating stream-lined atomised/anomie "hard-ball" capitalist economy, stimulant's are in "high" demand, if you study, work or labor, for food-stuff (s) and sex or to negate intoxication on sedatives/depressant's/relaxant's, which is why sugar, salt, fat, caffeine, tobacco, ephedra/amphetamine, coca, khat, modafinil, piracetam, fluoxetine (trade-name: prozac), ginseng, ginkgo bilboa are heavily relied upon, we are belove-and-betroth to the boss, who claim-and-call, we aren't profaned-but-enthralled by our white-collar employer's, journalist's are the new clergy-person's, before technological advances permitted expansive mass information, out-going and then christian church and now muslim/islamic mosque attendance fill that role (s)-and-responsibilities, the priest/pastor/preacher/iman were the "enlightened" just like journalist's today, talking to farmer's, then un-skilled laborers or semi-skilled laborers, now skilled laborers/tradespeople or low-ranking white-collar's, not specialised white-collar's, the current and only future permitted/allowed to prevail, or just the near-future and far-future.

    You're fundamentally right, but the "freedom's of movement, religion (organised religion, such as and specifically organised christianity and such as and specifically organised islam), press/media ("the new organised religion") and speech/expression, by extension association/affiliation, roaming (accessibility/availability to public-sector governed area's) and homing/housing are negotiable, as long as the "great un-washed" (blue-collar (at the beginning of the day)/black-collar (at the end of the day) personalities-and-psychologies/mind-set's) exist, there can be no psychological-social-cultural/psychological-socio-cultural peace nor political-legal-economic peace, as long as so-called "free-market capitalism" or adequately-and-accurately appropriately-and-accordingly neo-(economic) liberal/neo-(economic) libertarian/neo-(economic) conservative white-market corporate capitalism, often referred to as "pure, un-adulterated, un-filtered, un-bridaled, un-fettered capitalism" prevail's overall psychological-social-cultural-political-legal-economic/psychological-socio-cultural-political-legal-economic harmony remains divisive-and-elusive.

    Endlessly philosophising, analysing-and-articulating on-and-over discrimination-and-bigotry/hatred-and-hostility/pride-and-prejudice/racism-and-xenophobia/sexism-and-homophobia, which the marketised/commercialised/merchant mainstream mass media, or just the so-called "fourth-estate" does in the anglo-west, doesn't remedy that you have mainly mindless-meandering dumb-and-docile yabbering/yackering/yammering yobbo's/yahoos with their boisterous bumbling babbling, who are quintessentially dopey-and-dogmatic, instead of restricting migration (both immigration and emigration) and encouraging/endorsing having less children, through-and-under a contraceptives regime, coupled with sex education, specifically comprehensive sex education, alongside a two-child policy-and-programme, then educating-and-informing other (mainstream) culture's-and-collar's (classes), then providing extensive welfare-and-subsidised state/government/public-sector housing to ensure families-and-communities, there-by safety-and-security and health-and-wealth are ensured, the trend-to-norm will only advance in 150/200 decades-and-centuries, since initially there won't be enough work, but even if there is, whose to say/express that those job's/careers/professions/occupations/ranks/positions/fields/role (s)-and-responsibilities won't be automated too, no one's advocating for gun's-and-grenades bullet's-and-bombs, so you can't "eat the en-riched/"rich"", "smash the system", or "even liberal's/libertarians get a bullet too", but you can "maim the im-poverished/"poor"".

    Job creator's are wealth extractor's, education for the sake of qualification/credential or education for the sake of education, the former is important in today's era, but the latter will remain important in a post-capitalist economy, what-ever form it manifest's as.

    How do you reign-in popular (western) culture, which is social-cultural/socio-cultural engineered, by the purveyor's of hollyweird, hollywrong and hollywacky? It's strange, the "sheeple" mind-set/mentality/culture/collective consciousness/world-view-and-world-value disseminated by hollyweird, from toilet humor to constant-yet-consistent production's involving an emphasis on sex, with an emphasis on young adult culture for both of the previous two categories listed, since the late-1990s/early-2000s, toilet humor has been on the rise, from american pie, some of them classics, most of the latter ones aren't, including harold and kumar, which are funny, since you don't have to be drunk-and/or-stoned to watch them, with the emphasis on another hollyweird theme/trope fully-thoroughly-and-fatally examined, ethnicity-race-and-nationality, besides religious association/affiliation, from bad santa, knocked-up and superbad, the genre of toilet humor has continued a tradition of social-cultural/socio-cultural degeneracy, with stepbrother's, pineapple express, bridesmaids, the hang-over series and train-wrecked, besides a myriad of other's that have slipped my mind, filth has now entered both high culture and high society (always existed to some extent in the latter, but high culture prevented it being show-cased publicly-and-professionally), white-market white-collar worker co-operatives are the way forward for the capitalist globe/international community/planet/world/sphere, which includes both the anglo-west and the european-west.

    Blue-collar (at the beginning of the day)/black-collar (at the end of the day) personalities-and-psychologies/mind-set's are authoritarian/totalitarian-and-militant/militarist, so they legitimise-and-normalise through-and-under either both or either organised religion, such as and specifically organised christianity and such as and specifically organised islam and/or ethnic nationalism/racial nationalism, so to be weaponised as part-and-parcel of the "safety-and-security" apparatus, security-force, police-force/internal military-force and/or the military-force/external police-force. The immiseration-and-cruelification, the veiner-and-vapider each-and-every/any-and-all segment's of society becomes.

    You know, besides chemotherapy-and-radioactive therapy and surgery, you have two knew emerging technologies, cancer immunotherapy and a technological application, which attract's the cancer and destroy's it, anyway, deep brain stimulation has anti-depressant properties, the skilled labor-force, semi-skilled labor-force, un-skilled labor-force, criminal-force, security-force, police-force/internal military-force, military-force/external police-force and sport's-force are the drone aspect's of the broader work-force, they're just drones, mostly-automatable, even low-ranking white-collar's are desk drones, though they get to don a suit-and-tie and appear publicly-and-professionally respectable, the anglo-west think's/reason's/rationalises/logics alike since the marketised/commercialised/merchant mainstream mass media, or just the so-called "fourth-estate" is owned-and-organised/reigned-and-ruled/commanded-and-controlled by a select group of political-legal-economic elites, you don't live-and-breathe in a free-society where both a free-market and free-trade are politically-legally-economically in-place, it's more profound-and-prolific in the anglo-west, I'm a sexual conservative, socially-culturally conservative in relation to family-and-community and abortion and re-productive/pro-creative/breeding/mating/sporing policy-and-programme, coupled with contraceptives, along-side sex education, specifically comprehensive sex education, feudal started as religious, then early capitalism started as ethnic nationalism/racial nationalism, now modern capitalism is about collar (class), so colour/tone could be used as an identifier of religious affiliation/association, but religion being an ideology, colour/tone is used to identify ethnicity/race, but in today's capitalism, colour/tone are regarded as passe, leaving the mainstream cultures of both religion and ethnicities/races scrutinised, more-so then the religion's and ethnicities/races, including the collar (class), the legacies of the brutalities of both the tyrannies and of the criminalities of the last two centuries, from napoleon and the wild west to mussolini, hitler, franco, probably lenin, definitely stalin, tse-tung/zedong and the organised crime/black-market capitalism/"criminalised capitalism" that is blue-collar (at the beginning of the day)/black-collar (at the end of the day) crime of the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s, constitution's/charters/curriculums/criterias are all part-and-parcel of life, a set of active guidelines, that guide rule's-and-regulations/rule's-and-restrictions/protocols-and-procedures/policies-and-programmes, tar and nicotine (including other tobacco-related alkaloid's) and tar and thc and tar and cbd should be listed on the tobacco packet's and marijuana packet's, if in relation to either both or either smoking and/or herbal/botanical/plant vaping, liquid vaping liquid's and dabbing wax concentrates should list the nicotine (including other tobacco-related alkaloid's) and thc content and cbd content
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  9. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Yeah, its really special. Like naming a dog Adolf.

    Btw: how do you feel about Sons of Odin these days? I recall you used to declare sympathy for them, and for the same thing as in Orisons link.
  10. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    I have zero opinion. I just like the name. I don't remember declaring sympathy. Probably.
    I didn't watch the video. I liked the post because he was stickin' it to em'. Stickin' it to the MAN! :sweatsmile:
  11. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Yeah... You like to flirt with nazism and fascism but act oblivious when someone confronts you with it.
    You did have on opinion on their actions.
  12. I'm pretty sure I had an opinion about them.
    But once you scratch the surface, you see it for what it really is.
  13. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    It has Odin in the name. That's enough for Irmi to find them cool :rolleyes:

    At least you're honest about your former and current opinions on them. A case of selective memory, ok :p But now she has no opinion at all. I call bullshit.
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  14. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    I like the name Isis too, yet hold no values to what they believe. Am I a terrorist too now?

    I won't speak my true feelings with you because you're the type of person to start personally attacking me which is evident here. I don't sit here and attack you as a person for whatever you believe but you try and put me down in almost every thread these days it's become tiring for me and I don't have the heart anymore so please just leave me alone if this is the way you're going to conduct your behaviour toward me.
  15. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Don't be ridicilous. You liking the name is not the issue. You declaring sympathy on here in the past for their actions, not their cool name was why i focussed on this, and its not to condemn or attack you. It is simply because you did it, and now this group got mentioned in this thread, I asked you what you think these days and you act all oblivious. Try to act like it was only a superficial liking because you dig their name. Just cut the crap and own what you say or believe(d).
    But superficially liking or having sympathy for such a group because of their name would be at least as stupid in all honesty.
    Nonsense. It's directly about the content. Btw; look at how you reply to fellow forummers who in your opinion have crappy convictions or explanations. Like against unfocusedanakin. That fits the definition of personal attack sooner. It seems you don't want to share your real thoughts here because you don't want them criticized and you know they will be. So instead you go this route to excuse yourself.
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  16. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    User ignored.
  17. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Getting your content constantly criticized and challenged is not the same as getting personal attacked. And you know we share as much positive comments with eachother as 'negative' or unpleasant ones. You try to put it as if im being unfair to you, but its actually you who resort to an unfair tactic now.

    Btw: I think I found the thread/post I was referring to:

    Attacks In Germany

    Yups, just the name huh ;)
  18. Omg noooo I was so terrible
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  19. I think it's easier to pinpoint and declare a certain group an enemy or whatever.
    It's wrong, but it's easier. That way, one doesn't even have to think much.
    Whether the group is Muslims, liberals, socialists, whatever.
    Until you see that this instilled hate is just making you a pawn and an idiot.
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  20. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    No of course Suadi Arabia is not a democracy and they do not have any law I would support in censoring ideas.

    The dog was taught to do the salute as a joke. I think the human invention is what the courts take issue with. It's not like they are arresting dogs for being dogs. That is a reach. Is that what you mean like the police go down the street and arrest dogs? The man posted a youtue video of it and was pretty clear the idea was to imitate Nazis with the gesture.

    I never said you were a racist. However you should really examine the gray areas of democracy and not be so sensitive to a dogmatic view of it. This is free speech in of itself. To take an idea and dissect. Do not simply take it as a simple "I can say anything. Anything else is oppression".

    If you are talking about what I think I was referring to people who use the Confederate flag as "heritage' in America regarding racism. If you also feel the flag is heritage perhaps I would say you are racist I don't know. Challenging my idea is not racist.
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