we have less than 8 years to stop global warming or we are venus

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by jonny2mad, May 11, 2007.

  1. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    I went to a talk on global warming last night and we have less than 8 years to stop global warming or we will have a pretty unliveable planet .

    as it is now we are going to get no coral reefs and a desert like the sahara in europe and extinctions of lots of plants and animals polar bears are history

    I dont think we are taking things seriously, I also think we should have a green living forum as there are lots of things happening in the uk you should be involved in now
     
  2. CrucifiedDreams

    CrucifiedDreams Members

    I agree with you we aren't taking it seriously, but that's people for you. People don't really like to deal with things until it's to late.

    I've read that we have 15 years but either way, it's not long, and people need to start acting. I've also read that by the year 2040 roughly a quarter of species will be gone. How tragic.

    The thing that gets me the most about global warming is there are many solutions but no one wants to invest the money in it, they'd rather invest it in Nuclear energy. Yay radiation poisoning! Places in Europe, build their houses on grids with specific windows so the sun will shine in in the morning and afternoon, heat the kitchen floor, and run the rest of the house from that. How cool is that?

    There are things we could do, that's the kicker.
     
  3. mbworkrelated

    mbworkrelated Banned

    I think economicaly speaking we have a short window of opportunity.
    The world will not end in 10-15 years it will just be more expensive to fix.
    I doubt a quarter of the the species will be gone - as we are unaware of 90% of them. If it is the known species i'd still say that is alarmist.
    To be fair to goverments - I think they have been doing inumerable things to protect the environment - maybe not enough - but most certainly more than we give credit for. Is Nuclear the future and not the past ?. That is a matter of opinion - i'd hate for prejudices to prevent a good solution to a critical period in our global history.
     
  4. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    The talk I saw was on a new book by mark lynas and it seems after about a three degree rise things get out of control, up to two degrees is bad enough

    Theres a breakdown of what different global temp rises mean theyre worth reading
    http://www.marklynas.org/2007/4/23/...y-of-six-degrees-as-published-in-the-guardian

    and yes we can make houses that dont need heating or cooling they have houses like that in germany and there are a couple in the uk , in america you could design towns so you dont need a car the small town I live in you dont need a car, lots of people in london or new york dont drive .

    The government here spends about 20 million a year on green housing about the same as 30 minutes of running the iraq war at the moment we are spending billions on one road project

    mark lynas is giving a talk on climate day in swindon on the 13th may then talks in cardiff and oxford all the stuff in his book is backed up with scientific references

    we should be building less roads and improving rail or water transport
     
  5. snakeyes

    snakeyes Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

    It's too late to do anything. These warnings have been happening since the 70s and still no-one has taken them seriously. The forthcoming catastrophe is inevitable. It would probably take 8 years just to arrange a meeting of all the necessary people, never mind all the wrangling about who was gonna pay for the changes and all the other work involved. Face it, it's all over in just a couple of years. Capitalist Democracy is to blame. A time of chaos is approaching. The age of destruction is upon us. Thank God for that. Just in time too!
     
  6. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

    Imho global warming is a natural process, called climate change. Humans are not responsible and the doom and gloom apocolyptic picture this government paints, is one of myth. IN fact we will see many milleniums before the world finally ends. Hey, it is nearly summer, whats with the blues?
     
  7. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    well I on a individual level will want to know that I did what I could .

    I got rid of my cars and walk everywhere , I dont have a tv or a washing machine, I grow a lot of my own food I think I should be able to grow all my own food soon .

    I avoid buying stuff, I bought a pair shoes a while ago but that was because I was in wales and my shoes split apart, apart from that its years since I bought anything new in a shop I repair things and whenever I can buy secondhand .
    I have a computer and electric light no central heating I have a rayburn which I run on wood .
    I make my living by recycling stuff and recycle everything I possibly can

    its not the ideal situation but gradually Im doing what I can to reduce my carbon footprint I know of a guy in london whose reduced his footprint to a 60th of the average western carbon footprint , when it all falls to pieces at least he will know he did what he could


    now there are lots of responses to this one is to laugh about it or to think there is nothing you can personally do , I think the best response is to really do what you can and point out to people things that their doing thats causing the problem .

    we have to contradict advertising that tells us to consume all the time , really we need ads for foreign holidays telling people your a right shit if you fly to the maldives you ought to be ashamed of yourself you loser.
    To balence all the adverts that show you hip beautiful people in the sun
     
  8. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

    Even if global warming did exist, there is little chance that we will stop the catastrophe from happening. Even though we have congestion charge, drivers still clog the roads with their burning fossil fuel.

    Still it wont happen in our lifetime or in many lifetimes. I think we should chill and appreciate what we have instead of being Gothic and painting the world in black and white. Trimming rose bushes:D
     
  9. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    john I dont know how old you are but I remember the tobacco companys telling you that smoking was safe when they knew it killed millions of people they did this for years and spent millions on it .

    and do you know what the oil and coal companys have done they collected in many cases the very same scientists that told you smoking was safe, and now they tell you that there is a debate that climate change is happening and that its being caused by humans.

    I dont know if youve seen a inconvenient truth but you should look at the figures of the rate of global warming, yes there are normally warmer and colder periods, but the tempreture rises we have now are tied to fossil fuels gases we are putting in the atmosphere there is a direct link .

    even some of the oil companys are coming round to say that we have global warming caused by fossil fuels, I think this could be to stop them being crucified as the villians they are when global warming really hits .

    but the millions they have spent making a myth that that global warming isnt true are paying off
     
  10. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    hmmm well the science says it will happen or a lot of it in our lifetime you can see it happening in the photographic record

    and people could stop it they just dont give a damn if martians came down and told us right you have 1 year to stop all this global warming nonsense or we nuke you we would stop it.
     
  11. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

    I saw this documentary on controversial channel four. It said that the oceans produce carbon emissions and that humans contribution is very small. Infact we are having little affect at all on the climate. If you look at the chart of history, temperatures have gone up, down and have gone up even before the industrial revolution.


    I still think this apocolyptic global warming is basically a way the government can impose heavy taxes on car drivers and lorry drivers. With the latest bill, 200 pound a day for lorry drivers made before 2001.

    The british are very tolerant at whatever tax is thrown at them. If it were any other country, there would be mass demonstrations like that seen with Thathers poll tax.

    Global warming is still debatable but to be honest, I don't think we should be all doom and gloom.
     
  12. lithium

    lithium frogboy

    Yes, so far we have

    1. Don't worry it's just scientists with their specialist expertise, their rigorous experimental methods and their academic system of peer review, they don't really know what's going on, whereas I read something on teh internets that said it wasn't true.

    2. Don't worry governments are doing all they can, maybe not enough, but hey, let's not be alarmist, they know what they're doing.

    3. Don't worry, it's too late to do anything anyway, the end of the world is nigh so let's not even bother.

    All of which are wrong.

    The science is telling us that we have an opportunity to avoid the most catastrophic effects of climate change, and we certainly have the opportunity to avoid the catastrophic runaway effects of 3 degree warming if we act now. We need to reverse our priorities on things like transport, reverse our spending and taxation plans, subsidise efficient energy use, housing, food production and start taxing inefficiency at prohibitively expensive rates. It will require huge political will and leadership, but it can be done.

    This is the biggest political issue of the decade and doubtless the century, currently we have our heads in the sand, we need to make people understand how important an issue this is, what needs to change, and start making the changes ourselves. You can make a change as jonny is doing, lead by example in your own life and tell everyone you can about what you've learned.

    Read the IPCC reports, the clearest set of statements yet reviewing the confirmed scientific data which demonstrate beyond any doubt that climate change is happening, is being forced by human activites, and telling us what we need to do to change it.
    http://www.ipcc.ch/
     
  13. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

  14. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

    "Yeh, the world is ending, the life on earth will shrivel under the sun and there will be blood on the walls and dragons over our heads. There will be a lamb with a scroll and some bloke will find somebody who can open the seals. The seven thunders and the sea serpents." Come on guys, be open minded:leaving:
     
  15. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    The book 6 degrees that i saw the talk on was setting out the ipcc report for the layman
     
  16. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    we are open minded you have photographic evidence you have scientific evidence what do you need to see before you say damn they were right , by the time we have the sahara desert in the alps and across europe it will be too late .

    and the thing is a lot of the things we would need to do about global warming we will have to do anyway because of resource depletion
     
  17. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

    Point is, I will be dead before the alps become the sahara. I think we need to see both sides and have an open mind. Not swallowing everything the scientists say. Though they are eggheads, it has been proven that Albert Einstein was wrong all along.
    I could be wrong, but none of us will be around to prove me or you wrong. :)

    The report that the EEC have created paints such a bleak picture, it makes it look like our lives are practically over. I have friends, I have well wishers, I have a flat and even though we get hot summers, the world isn't over. And there isn't a cursed earth and we are not going to walk into the cursed earth. It is time we stood back and be open minded. Yes, recycling, using the feet bike or rail instead of driving everywhere all helps the environment. Just because I get driven to Stanstead, doesn't mean that I have destroyed the Ozone layer. At the end of the day, I am a Eco warrior. I am a womble as I use other people's home items that they have chucked out and I don't drive or have any intention to drive;)
     
  18. lithium

    lithium frogboy

    Yes we need to see both sides and have an open mind. I watched the documentary you mentioned, as well as having read plenty of the information presented as being contrary to anthropogenic climate change. I then did my own research about what I had seen and read and sought out the opinions of experts. I have read the summaries of the most recent scientific data and the expert analysis of hundreds of academics in the IPCC reports. Have you? Or have you based your entire position on a channel 4 documentary?

    Who the IPCC are:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC
    Report on anthropogenic climate change:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf
    What can be done:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM040507.pdf

    From past experience I know it's fairly pointless trying to get through to you John, so I am probably wasting my time on you, but if anyone else reads this I can strongly recommend you read these IPCC reports, they are scientifically rigorous but quite readable - designed to present the inforation to non-expert policymakers:)

    I think what we have going on is a basic mistrust / misunderstanding of what science actually is, which is probably a failure of education. Unfortunately those unscrupulous or ideologically / financially biased or ignorant enough will exploit this failure of understanding in order to present the wholly inaccurate idea that there is actually any debate among experts about the basic facts of anthropogenic climate change. There isn't - the science is exceptionally well understood and accepted by an overwhelming majority of climate specialists.
     
  19. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    point is that this isnt something in the distant future thats what the report says, Im 42 and I wouldnt buy a house in southern europe or somewhere near the coast .

    and no matter whether it effects you or not thats not the entire point ,how would you feel if your parents turned somewhere like the uk into the sahara and left that as your inheritence , generally I think its best to try to make life better for future generations not worse .

    There is a book if you live in the south east called when the rivers run dry its about how the area around london is starting to get serious water problems its worth reading.
     
  20. I am taking it serious I bought a wind turbine from B+Q last week now all I need is planning permission and a couple of hundred quid to put it up. First time I seen one B+Q in new cross

    ha ha ha ha ha I am emperor ming the greenest emperor in the universe
     

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