US Worker's Incomes Dropping!

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  1. skip

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    This article from the NY Times illustrates exactly what Bush's Policies have cost the US worker, who now makes less than what he did in 2001.

    Hourly wages are dropping, work weeks shrink as more part-timers are hired to replace full-timers (esp. at places like WalMart).

    The American worker is getting SCREWED royally while Bush & his cronies rake in huge profits from their stakes in companies like Halliburton that service America's Imperialist Wars as innocent people die daily.
    Bush is cleaning up on Iraq, are YOU?

    July 18, 2004

    Hourly Pay in U.S. Not Keeping Pace With Price Rises

    [size=-1]By EDUARDO PORTER[/size]
    [​IMG]he amount of money workers receive in their paychecks is failing to keep up with inflation. Though wages should recover if businesses continue to hire, three years of job losses have left a large worker surplus.

    "There's too much slack in the labor market to generate any pressure on wage growth,'' said Jared Bernstein, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research institution based in Washington. "We are going to need a much lower unemployment rate.'' He noted that at 5.6 percent, the national unemployment rate is still back at the same level as at the end of the recession in November 2001.

    Even though the economy has been adding hundreds of thousands of jobs almost every month this year, stagnant wages could put a dent in the prospects for economic growth, some economists say. If incomes continue to lag behind the increase in prices, it may hinder the ability of ordinary workers to spend money at a healthy clip, undermining one of the pillars of the expansion so far.

    Declining wages are likely to play a prominent role in the current presidential campaign. Growing employment has lifted President Bush's job approval ratings on the economy of late. According to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, in mid-July, 42 percent of those polled approved of the president's handling of the economy, up from 38 percent in mid-March.

    Yet Senator John Kerry, the likely Democratic presidential nominee, is pointing to lackluster wages as a telling weakness in the administration's economic track record. ``Americans feel squeezed between prices that are rising and incomes that are not,'' Mark Mellman, a pollster for the campaign, said in a memorandum last month.

    On Friday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that hourly earnings of production workers - nonmanagement workers ranging from nurses and teachers to hamburger flippers and assembly-line workers - fell 1.1 percent in June, after accounting for inflation. The June drop, the steepest decline since the depths of recession in mid-1991, came after a 0.8 percent fall in real hourly earnings in May.

    Coming on top of a 12-minute drop in the average workweek, the decline in the hourly rate last month cut deeply into workers' pay. In June, production workers took home $525.84 a week, on average. After accounting for inflation, this is about $8 less than they were pocketing last January, and is the lowest level of weekly pay since October 2001.

    On its own, the decline in workers' wages is unlikely to derail the recovery. Though they account for some 80 percent of the work force, they contribute much less to spending. Mark M. Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com, a research firm, noted that households in the bottom half of income distribution account for only one-third of consumer spending.

    Nonetheless, coming after the bonanza of the second half of the 1990's, the first period of sustained real wage growth since the 1970's, the current slide in earnings is a big blow for the lower middle class. Moreover, the absence of lower income households could also weigh on overall economic growth - putting a lid on the mass market and skewing consumption toward high-end products.

    "There's a bit of a dichotomy," said Ethan S. Harris, chief economist at Lehman Brothers. "Joe Six-Pack is under a lot of pressure. He got a lousy raise; he's paying more for gasoline and milk. He's not doing that great. But proprietors' income is up. Profits are up. Home values are up. Middle-income and upper-income people are looking pretty good."

    Tales of tight budgets at the bottom are springing up across the country. "I haven't had a salary increase in two years, but the cost of living is going up," said Eric Lambert, 42, a father of three who earns $13 an hour as a security guard at 660 Madison Ave. in Manhattan.

    Silvia Vides, 43, who earns $11 an hour in a union job as a housekeeper at the Universal City Sheraton hotel in Los Angeles, said, "Sometimes I don't know how I pay the bills and food and rent." She has cut back on all nonessential expenditures and she is four months behind on payments on $4,000 in credit-card debt.

    Their woes are a product of supply and demand for labor. From 1996 through 2000 when employers were hiring hand over fist, real hourly wages of ordinary workers rose by 7.5 percent. Those for leisure and hospitality workers rose 9.6 percent, and retail workers' climbed 8.9 percent. The raises continued even as the economy slipped into recession in 2001 and businesses began to shed workers.

    From 2001 to 2003, 2.4 million jobs were eliminated, as businesses sharply reduced their work forces, refusing to hire back even as demand started picking up. Over a million of these jobs have been regained this year.

    Yet with the lowest number of people employed as a share of the population since 1994, there is still a plentiful supply of unused laborers looking for jobs.

    As the rise in energy prices in the earlier months of this year led to rising inflation, pushing prices in June up 3.2 percent from the same month of last year, the lackluster job market has left workers in a weak position to demand more money.

    "Since last November, we've had a pickup in hiring and a pickup in hours worked in virtually all of our businesses," said David Pittaway, a senior managing director at Castle Harlan, an equity investment company that owns everything from Burger King franchises to a shipping company.

    But there is clearly still a lot of slack. When Castle Harlan advertised in the newspapers to fill 70 to 80 positions at a Morton's restaurant it opened in early July in White Plains, 600 to 700 people showed up.

    Ms. Vides in California ticks off the items of a rising cost of living. She pays $850 a month for a one-bedroom apartment in Panorama City, $25 more a month than last year. The cost of a bus pass rose $10, to $45 a month. The electricity bill is much higher and food costs more. "I've got to do miracles with my salary," she said.

    So Ms. Vides said she was outraged that the hotels negotiating a new contract with her union were offering annual raises of 40 cents to 45 cents an hour each year for the next five years. The raise in 2004 would be about 4 percent, just enough to keep up with the 4 percent rise in prices in Los Angeles over the last year. "This is miserly," said Ms. Vides, who said the union wants $1.25 this year and $1.50 next.

    Colleen Kareti, president of the Los Angeles hotel employers' council, which represents the hotels, argued that negotiations had not yet gotten down to bargaining over wages. But she pointed out that times are hard for the hotel business, too. "It's been pretty bad for the last three years. We're nowhere near the levels of business where we were in 1998 through 2000," Ms. Kareti said.

    Some economists warn that if wages remain depressed for a long time they may end up weighing on the economy. "The recovery will likely continue on despite the travails of lower-income households, but it cannot flourish," Mr. Zandi said.

    So far, spending has been fueled mostly by debt, as consumers took advantage of bedrock-low interest rates to whip out their credit cards and refinance their mortgages. But as interest rates rise to keep inflation in check, continued growth in consumer spending will depend more on jobs and wages.

    Spending is still holding up, led by strong corporate profits as well as higher salaries and bonuses at the upper end of the income distribution. But the lagging earnings at the bottom end are making for a somewhat lopsided expansion.

    The upper echelons of consumer spending, at places like Saks Fifth Avenue, Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom department stores, are reporting gangbuster business. "I'm surprised by how well we've sold high-priced fashion at this stage," said Pete Nordstrom, president of Nordstrom's full-line stores.

    But at the other end, sales at stores open at least a year at big-box discounters like Target and Wal-Mart have disappointed, while sales of used cars are declining year over year, government figures show. "We're not seeing the traffic, not even the same volumes of sales calls," said Richard Cooper, a sales manager at Jones Ford in Charleston, S.C.

    Wages at the bottom should eventually recover, as businesses continue hiring to meet growing demand. The question is how fast. "As unemployment slides down, more of the benefits of growth should flow to the working class," Mr. Bernstein said. "But not until we reach truly full employment are they likely to see their earnings rise at a level closer to that of productivity."
     
  2. LickHERish

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    While the upper incomes flourish, the middle and lower incomes are systemically becoming the desperate fodder for ample personnel resupply to fuel the PNAC perpetual war agenda. Dumb them down, remove their economic base (giving them the option of working poverty at home (at best) or the "glory" of a hero's death to further elite corporate profits abroad) and cull them with promises of a wonderful future education (if they survive). How much more widespread will the suffering have to get until the other half stop bleeting their jingoistic mantras and prostrating themselves before the altar of elite duplicity and corruption? Only time will tell.
     
  3. GrievousAngel

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    LickHerIsh, your conspiracy theories are getting old. The economy ebbs and flows like the tides, give it some time. We'll have a boom again soon.
     
  4. LickHERish

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    Pull your head out of your ass and connect the dots which are empirically verifiable GA, no conspiracy theory involved, just good ol fashioned awareness and research. But no doubt your Fox News fed delusional world of superficial analysis is preferable to reality, so rest blissful and enjoy your bleating. bah bah bah.
     
  5. skip

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    Yes, the economy ebbs & flows. It flows GREAT when democrats are spreading the wealth around to the poor segments of society. It EBBS when republicans rip-off the poor & working classes and feed it all to the Corporate Pigs.

    Yup, definitely time to get things FLOWING again.
     
  6. sweatininthesouth

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    Excellent point Lick. We have exhausted our current military, however, neither party truly wants to reinstate the draft. That would be political suicide. So, new recruits become a lovely by-product for Bush, as a result of current, dwindling wages. Better to become a soldier, than to flip burgers at McDonalds.....what a desperate choice we have given our younger generation.

    Thanks Skip, for posting these links/excerpts from various news sources, as I don't have the time to scour the newspapers or internet to find out alot of these stories. It's a relief to visit this forum and find NEW, news and issues everday.
     
  7. LaughinWillow

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    What we also have to realize is the a major reason for the decrease in lower/middle income salaries is the MASSIVE increases in upper management/CEO salaries in the last 20 years. I was just reading in the newspaper last week that the average CEO salary has increased something like 400% in the last 10 or 20 years. It's really disgusting. A lot of this has to do with the heroic Reagan's attacks on labor unions, which continue to this day. Many of the largest employers - WalMart, as a perfect example - actively attack employees who want to form unions - and get away with it, leaving workers almost no protection at all.


    The most pathetic part of all of this is that poor white americans tend to support the bastard bloodsuckers who are sending their jobs to china more than many of their wealthier counterparts. It's really insane.
     
  8. Sera Michele

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    And these are the same companies claiming they can't afford to pay their employees more....as their CEO's make more and more each year. It is disgusting really, becuase if it wasn't for those employees the CEO's wouldn't be making shit for wages.
     
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    Well hey, how are they gonna get their soldiers if the soldiers REFUSE to fight? I don't know about you, but I would rather be a homeless bum, or even a CRACK addict, than a US soldier.

    Sadly though, he's right. Probably a bunch of fools are gonna get so desperate, they will think the army is the only way out. sad...

    When your turn comes, and you're on the edge of poverty or worse, simply refuse. I will not kill, will be our mantra.
     
  10. Real American

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    I am surprised noone picked this up. Lets see, if I clock in late one day, and leave early another, take a longer break here and there......12 min in a week times 4 weeks in a month. We are looking at roughly half an hour difference in the time we work per week. Now, take the 525.84 average we make, divide that into 40 hours. 13.21 an hour. Granted we are looking at averages now. Ok so now we see that average of 8 less. Wow, you mean if I stay a few minutes more a day at work I'll earn what I am supposed to earn? AMAZING.

    Oh, and noone makes companies raise their prices. That's just human greed. Gas on average is 1.75 a galon here in Houston. We have one store that charges 1.49 and they are busy 24/7. Looks like they are doing the smart thing.
     
  11. Sera Michele

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    Thats the dumbest thing I have heard. Most companies are very strict about your hours, not giving you a pinch of overtime. Besides...Isn't 40 hours a week enough? How long are you trying to keep families away from eachother?
     
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    Not only are the hourly wages lower - the jobless rate in 47 states is still higher than things were at the so called beginning of the recession in November of 2001.

    How Bush can even brag in the slighest about the jobs that have been created during his tenure is beyond my imagination.
     
  13. Real American

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    You seriously think Bush is responsable for the lack of jobs or companies paying employes less? Look, when something happens in our economy, the changes aren't instant. They never have been and never will be. The negative things that you are looking at are a result of previous people actions. Similar to that of a bad parent and a child. You may not see the negative reflect in the child with in a couple of months or even years. Eventualy though, you will see it. Now take that child, he is adopted into a loving family. The loving family gives him everything he needs and lays down a good way of life. You wont see the posative reinforcement in that child over a couple of months or years. But eventualy, the child will turn around. Our economy is the same way. Bush didn't creat all these problems. He just became president when they all surfaced. Don't believe me? Do a little research on the last 20 years of our economy. You will see a major trend following the bad presidents and one following the good.
     
  14. lover/young_peace

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    Jobs in Pittsburgh are impossible to find. Not even burger-flipping ones. No, I shouldn't say they are impossible but it's extremely hard if anyone lives in Pittsburgh you may know from experience the job situation is pretty bad.

    We aren't poor, I'm not complaining, but we can't afford college so brother (and possibly me) are probably going to have to turn to military. I intend to get to college, but I definitely am not going to join the military, so I guess I have to try really hard for a scholarship. So... anyways.

    Well, I felt safer with Clinton in office. I will admit I was, (and still am to a certain extent), both young and naive, but I dunno things looked a little brighter with Bill, didn't they? oh, well, I guess I cant complain!


    ~~peace~~
     
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    I was watching 60 minutes I believe or somesort of very reputable news program. It showed that Kerry wanted to raise minimum wage to 7.00 in a couple years, and Bush planned on doing nothing.
     
  16. Real American

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    Thats fine if Kerry wants to raise minimum wage. Do you realize though that once that is done prices will go up? I am 27 years old. When I first started working while I was in highschool, minimum wage was 4.25 an hour. Sence then, it has gone up, and so have the everyday things that I buy. As a matter of fact, the only thing that I see in my life that I buy regulary and are dropping in price are computer parts. Like I said before, if Bush or Kerry makes interesting points and promises concerning our economy and the fact that we allow buisness to outsource to other countries, and wants to put a stop to it, then that person will get my vote. As of right now, I am happy with Bush and realize that everything going on isn't his fault.
     
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    Real am


    Do you realize though that once that is done prices will go up?


    Did your god tell you that?
     
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    You are 43 and the best you could do in a reply was an insult to me? Grow up man, I think there is a forum for little kids on this site. Maybe you can relate with them.
     
  19. Balbus

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    Thank you I do try to stay young at heart.

    But my dear Real Am, you shouldn’t be so paranoid that you think that so many statements directed at you are somehow insults and it seems a bit self centred of you to think so.

    The question seemed pertinent since I had got the impression that you were one of those people that saw their religious beliefs dictating there political views? I mean, I think it had already been discovered that it is not much use talking to you about politics because your politics are based on your belief system and your personal version of god and not on any rational thought. It seemed that this was also the same in some other areas like evolutionary theory and your conviction that rapture is coming.

    So I was just trying to discover if it was worthwhile for people to talk to you about your economic views if these are also not based on any rational or reasoned theories but are dictated solely on what you intrepid as gods words in your reading of the bible?



     
  20. Sera Michele

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    Prices going up has more to do with inflation. There needs to be a raise in minimum wage, people should be able to live and provide for their family, if they can't there is a problem. You can't keep a roof over your family's head at $5 an hour. Let alone food in their stomachs.
     

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