US Planning to Attack Syria, Russians Sell New Arms for Defense

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by skip, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

    Get ready folks! Looks like the US is planning an attack on Syria. The Russians meanwhile are going to provide a new defensive shield (supposedly the same one Moscow has), and more advanced military hardware to Syria.

    Looks like Putin is pissed off at Bush!

    Read:

    http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=964

    and

    http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=965

    Through Arms to Syria, Putin Challenges US Middle East Game Rules

    DEBKAfile Exclusive Military Report

    January 12, 2005, 7:52 PM (GMT+02:00)

    Disturbing reports were coming out of the Russian capital Wednesday, January 12, about Russian president Vladimir Putin’s plan to accede to Syria’s request for advanced weaponry during president Bashar Assad’s visit to Moscow on January 24. DEBKAfile’s US and Israeli security sources quickly contradicted reports that 18 Iskander-M or SS-X-26 surface-to-surface missiles were on the table. The items for sale, they revealed, are advanced SA-10 air defense systems of the type that protects Moscow and shoulder-held SA-18 anti-air missiles, whose transfer to the Hizballah and/or Iraqi guerrillas would move at least two sets of goal posts in the Middle East balance of strength.

    The SA-10 is an effective defense against Israeli warplanes and missiles, including cruise missiles. Its presence in Syria would therefore knock a serious hole in Israel’s deterrent ability against Assad and the Hizballah.

    The Kremlin’s willingness to sell these items to Israel’s northern neighbor and backer of Iraqi insurgents is a rocket from the Putin to the White House in Washington, a declaration that he has had enough of sitting on the sidelines and watching US move the January 30 election pieces around the Iraq board and tilt the Palestinian ballot in favor of Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) as Yasser Arafat’s successor.

    The Russian president’s exasperation boiled over when he saw Washington’s hand in the Ukraine presidential election stirring up the anti-Moscow Orange Revolution that brought opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to office, and, again, in the sale of the Russian oil concern Yukos. The Russian leader felt he had been made the target of a well- orchestrated campaign for undermining him personally and politically.

    Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon is also put on notice that Washington’s backing alone does not lend him the status of unilateral player for disengagement in the Palestinian arena.

    The Russian leader has another large bone to pick with Sharon. He has complained often on the basis of intelligence received that Israel provides a backstairs rendezvous venue for Jewish Russian oligarchs conspiring against him, among them Berizovsky who lives in London, and Khodorovsky, founder of the oil giant YUKOS who sits in a Moscow jail.

    Each of those moneyed plotters, he charges, maintains a representative in Israel to look after the transfer of his wealth to Israeli banks. More than once, the Russian president asked Sharon to put a stop to this activity. When the Israeli prime minister informed him that the Law of Return forbids prosecution or extradition unless laws are broken, Putin was disbelieving. He later sneered to his aides that he had not known that the Law of Return applied to members of the Russian Christian Orthodox Church, a veiled reference to the Russian oligarchs’ hired personnel who relocated with them to Israel.

    The Kremlin’s decision to supply advanced SA-10 and SA-18 missiles to Syria constitutes a direct threat to Israel. But it is also a shot across Washington’s bows.

    DEBKAfile’s Russian and Israeli military experts described the SA-10 (“Grumble”) as an advanced surface-to-air missiles system capable of seriously limiting Israel’s aerial activity over Syria and Lebanon. It can engage more than one target and counter low and high-flying aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. “Grumble” can outperform the US Patriot anti-missile missile system supplied to Israel and counter the aircraft and most of the missiles in the Israel Air Force’s arsenal, to the detriment of its deterrent capabilities

    The SA-18 “Grouse” is a highly effective shoulder-held missile. If it reaches Iraqi guerrillas it will constitute a direct threat to US troops. In Hizballah hands, it would add to US troubles in Lebanon.

    Now that the cat is out of the bag, Putin and his top strategists can sit back and see how Washington and Jerusalem react.
     
  2. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

    Perhaps this will deter the U.S. from running around like it owns the place... Should be interesting to see everyones' reactions at least.
     
  3. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

    This is going to be scary, if it happens... but its about fucking time.

    I also remember hearing about Russia and China planning joint-military training, to start sometime this year... US wont seem so big then.
     
  4. soliloquy

    soliloquy Banned

    This is why we're in such a mess at the moment !

    If Russia does this,which they will . The US will simply arm the gorillas in Chechnya with some tasty hardware, which they will, Then everyone including the Russians will claim it's Americas fault, everyone, except the anti US people on this forum ,will clearly see they are as guilty as each other ... But that wont matter because they will have already formed their opinions before a single rocket has changed hands ..... so, lets hear it for the mess the US is going to get accused off , in it's quest for the domination of the world ... Oh and Russia and china are only doing it because they are sick of Bush pushing everyone around, are they ? are you sure it's not world domination for them selves that they really want ? , That probably never crossed your mind ! those poor russian and chinese being pushed around,,,,
    you had better hope the US is bigger than them both, or it'll be rice for dinner and a nice glass of vodka where the wine should be !
     
  5. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

    Oh I'm sure China and Russia are both just after power, and world dominance... My hope is the three will sort of hold each other off.... Each perhaps would keep the others from doing anything too blatant...
     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    It's going to be interesting to see where the Russia/China incident that has been in the news for the past week or two is going to lead in the coming weeks.

    We know FOR A FACT that the neocons don't just want Syria, but Iran and North Korea as well.

    So the big question remains; since we hear all this talk about invading Iran, Syria, North Korea and other countries, where are we going to find the troops to fight this war with the already severely limited number of troops we have right now, that are bogged down in Iraq?

    Can you imagine what a mess the Middle East will become once we invade more countries? We have already bit off far more than we can chew over in Iraq (in my opinion, this war isn't meant to be won), and these fucking maniacs are so insane that they now have their sights set on other countries. (Actually, they have had their eyes set on these countries for many years.) They are looking to completely enrage the entire Middle East and create a massive civil war that extends to several countries. It's all part of the globalist agenda to totally destablize and completely imperialize that region of the globe in the quest for global control.
     
  7. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

    Even with the draft, I don't see how they could possibly have the manpower, or the budget, for this sort of thing... Not to mention, both North Korea, and Iran, would take a lot more than Iraq did.... This leads me to two conclusions, either it's like you said, and the war isn't meant to be won, or, they're all just fucking nuts. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Balbus

    Balbus Members

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    The thing is I believe there is still the will in the Bush Admin to rearrange the world to its own ends but this has come up against the reality of the US’s over-stretch. The thing is that I fear that since the facing of reality has not exactly been the main characteristic of the Admin so far they may try a proceed anyway.


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  9. Pointbreak

    Pointbreak Banned

    Right, so Putin is upset that Palestinians and Ukrainians had successful democratic elections, and he thinks the rich Jews are conspiring with Israel against him (cry me a river, pooty-poot). To show his dismay, he sells shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles to a country with links to terrorist organisations.

    Remind me why this reflects worse on the US than Russia. Ot is the the story where Putin/Russia has no free will and simply "reacts" to US actions, and therefore the US is to blame for Russian actions?
     
  10. soliloquy

    soliloquy Banned

    There !!!!! blatant proof that the US is not trying to take over Iraq !!!! If the coalition was so bad it would have quelled any resistance long ago by force and indiscriminate massacres, The forces are bogged down because they respect the rule of law and are trying to let the people understand that we respect human rights.... There are well over 100,000 troops in the area from different countries, yet when ever some thing tragic happens and a few dick head soldiers fuck up .... the other 99998 take the blame ? not to mention the other 4 hundred million people in the west ??? If the US wanted Iraq to be the same as it was under Saddam it would be very easy to achieve... But that is no the plan......
     
  11. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

    Truly soliloquy, do you ever bother to do any research or are you just living in some alternate delusional relaity of your own creation? lol.

    Every post is a littany of PR slogans one hears daily from corporate media. Do you ever seek out what they arent telling you? "respect the rule of law" indeed!

    If that were the case, then this war of unprovoked aggression would have already landed the US administration in the Hague along with other lesser leaders who have been tried for such crimes. The "rule of law" is another soundbite along with "liberation" and "exporting democracy" which in reality mean the forceable imposition of western corporate control over those who refuse to bow to our modern might and serve our interests.

    Its astonding you buy into it all so readily and yet claim to have a questioning mind.
     
  12. soliloquy

    soliloquy Banned

    Some times the truth is just sitting there in front of you ! some times you have to search for it. working out which is which is the hard part.. But it's very easy for people like you, who can spot the truth, because you already know what truth your looking for !
     
  13. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

    Nice evasion and one which you are free to chant to yourself as a mantra if it helps you sleep at night. The truth is that my views have changed over many years through concerted effort and research and professional experience in the international political arena. What you choose to treat as neatly compartmentalised issues, a mindset daily encouraged and reinforced by the sanitised and decontextualised spin of corporate media reporting, are in fact intimately linked by government leaders, MNCs and the MIC in the context of geo-political manipulation and hegemony.

    So whether we are discussing Iraq/Afghanistan or International "Aid" or Peak Oil or dubious elections singled out by the media for attention (and a host of other global issues too numerous to list), the intricate linkage of cause-reaction-goal is ever present at the level of the current foreign policy agenda.

    You choose to cheer overtly aggressivistic militancy simply because the package it is sold to you in happens to be red, white and blue (with all its familiar and comforting PR imagery and slogans). However, in principle it remains war of aggression, lies remain lies, unaccountability remains unaccountability, the activities of our own intelligence agencies (long documented for their involvements in undermining democracies deemed undesirable to US interests) remain undiscussed and uninvestigated by your CNNs or major network broadcasters, etc.

    So I put it to you, do YOU believe and respect the concept of "the rule of law" and thereby the true principle that no nation is exempt from its obligations (central amongst these the right of inviolable sovereignty which we Americans would be (and have been) the loudest to defend when referring to our own sovereignty)? If so, then I suggest you revisit history and acknowledge the glaring truth that WE are now the very echo of those who our grandfathers fought to stop from waging war of expansionistic aggression many decades ago. Just as those former war criminals were eventually condemned by the Nuremburg principles, so too do the neo cons today (with their myopic dismissal of the lessons of history) stand worthy of condemnation and the dissolution of all there schemes and plans.

    If this seems too difficult to understand then i again suggest you read both the PNAC founding document Rebuilding America's Defenses and the later work of Brzezinski, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geo-strategic Imperatives.

    Do that and perhaps you might see the criminal intent which undermines all the efforts of the past half century at the heart of the Washington's incrementally unfolding agenda.

    And that is the most effort I care to make in response to you until I see some evidence that you are prepared to do more than continue riding cozily upon the bandwagon of simplistic rhetorical claims and appreciate that "freedom" and "democracy" are not what this admin and their corporate cohorts are offering anyone in the end, at home or abroad.
     
  14. soliloquy

    soliloquy Banned

    You Americans, as you quite rightly put, are afforded the voice ,so as to be the loudest to defend when referring to your own sovereignty.. If the Iraqis had those same rights their voice would have been heard, so there would have been no need for this war ! their sovereignty would have meant something and there nationhood would not have been in question. so once again thanks for justifying what you constantly feel is unjustifiable .
     
  15. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

    So there we have the soliloquoy understanding of the sovereignty of nations. If you can make a lot of noise you merit the right not to be bombed into perdition by a stronger nation and subsequently occupied in the name of "liberation".

    Astounding logic you possess and one which, quite frankly, beggars all further attempts to enlighten.
     
  16. soliloquy

    soliloquy Banned

    The softest voice spoken as a free man , can be heard around the globe ! Yet a nation screaming for freedom is heard only by the enlightened .... there it is again !! can you hear it Lick ? No ?
     
  17. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

    im not a conspiracy theororist guy, but this remoinds me of Nosradamus' third anti-christ..Mabus, which can be made into Saddam...Nosradam said he would fall then unrest would arise and encapusulate the world for 25 yrs...
     
  18. soliloquy

    soliloquy Banned

    [size=+2][size=-1]Every one who was any one, in the field of Nostradamus study translated [size=+2]Quatrain 10 - 72 as below ![/size]
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    The year thousand nine hundred ninety nine seven months:
    From the sky will come a great King of terror
    To bring back to life the great Angoulmois king
    Before and after Mars reigns by good luck.


    [size=-1][/size] [size=-1]But typically when nothing happened in 1999 they quickly admitted they were mistaken and formulated a theory that did fit ? Convenient ? I think so ....[/size]
    [size=-1][/size]
    [size=-1]"The tragic events of 9-11 were truly foreshadowed here. Presently, we use the Gregorian calendar. But during Nostradamus’ lifetime they used the Julian Calendar. The seventh month on the Julian Calendar is September. The date 1999 provides a time clue of an event around the millennial change. However, the real clue is that the date 1999 is nothing more than a numeric anagram. If we reverse the order of the “1”s and “9”s, we arrive at the date 9-11-1 (the date of the 9-11 attacks).
    [size=-1]It is obvious that Osama bin Laden is the “great king of terror who comes from the sky”. Regarding the “great king if the Mongols”, Kabul was the capital of the Mongol Empire during Nostradamus’ lifetime, so it appears that we have an additional symbolic reference to bin Laden here. In summation, this quatrain provided an “astonishing preview” of 9-11! "[/size]

    So ! Osama is the 3rd Antichrist ? maybe some one should tell him ....

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  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Beautifully said, Lick!

    I also highly recommend that everyone read Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard. It's important reading for anyone who wants to understand how the globalists think and operate.

     
  20. green_thumb

    green_thumb kill your T.V.

    I agree, that was very well written Lickherish (as always).
     

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