G'day Everyone. I'm Shem from Australia. I'd just like to bring you the full Bible message of how to be saved. In John 3, Jesus tells Nicodemus how to enter into the kingdom of God. He clearly states that we need to be born of the water and born of the spirit. It is clear that being born of the water is being baptized by full immersion in water, therefore burying your old life. Being born of the spirit is recieving the Holy Spirit that Jesus said he would send, the Comforter. The first account of people recieving the Holy Spirit was on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Ghost fell on them and they all spoke in new tongues. Peter than goes on to say that it was the forfillment of Joel's prophecy and that everyone should repent, be baptized for the remission of sins and recieve the Holy Ghost. This is how Peter told the people how to be saved, he said the promise was unto you and your children. 3000 people were saved that day and throughout the book of Acts many people listen to the preaching of the gospel and are baptized in water and recieve the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is something that Jesus said would follow believers confirming the word that they preached. About 4 years ago I experienced the recieving of the Holy Spirit and I spoke in tongues. I was then baptized by full immersion as the Bible tells us to be and I have had this amazing life with God, The Creator. It is a promise to every single one of you. I have had endless healings and God has provided me with everything I have ever needed through praying in the Holy Ghost. I share this experience with hundreds and thousands of people around the world..TODAY! I recommend a relationship with God to everyone. Thankyou. Have a Nice Day!
Yes, that is the plan of salvation according to the word of God. Immersion in water in the name of Jesus Christ and the infilling of the holy ghost by the evidence of speaking in tongues. That is exactly what Jesus said. All the examples are given in the bible. It is sad that this is not being taught by all churches because this is what God says. I'm not sure why people don't baptise in the name of Jesus. That is what the Bible tells us. Many people cling to Matthew 28:19. Yes, in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit. But those are all titles for Christ. The Father: John 5:43 - "I am come in my Father's name" The Son: Matthew 1:21 - "And thou shalt call his name Jesus" The Holy Ghost: John 14:26 - "The holy ghost whom the father will send in my name" In all of these titles we find but one name. JESUS! The power of the blood only comes through his name. "It is the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth" (Acts 4:10) "Salvation is found under no one else for there is no other name under Heaven given to men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12) "He ordered that they be baptized in the name of Christ" (Acts 10:48) "For as many of you have been baptized into Christ, have put on the name of Christ" (Galations 3:27) - You cannot be baptized into him without his name Many people fear speaking in tongues because they think it is of the devil. However, there are many, many scriptures (I made a post about this before) that tell us that God's people will speak with a new tongue. I will tell you that yes, the devil can trick you, but when you are filled with the holy ghost, he acts a discerner. You will know the difference between devine and devilish by their fruits. Read John 16:13. "These signs shall accompany those who believe: In my name they shall cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:17)
I actually disagree with you in regards to the Father and Holy Spirit being different titles for Christ. I believe in the Trintiy and don't believe the other titles are just different names for Christ Himself. The Father and Son are clearly mentioned as separate persons in scripture. Christ prays to the Father (Luke 22:42), Christ speaks of the Holy Spirit as a seperate person ("Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." John 16: 7), all three persons of the Trinity have their appearance at the baptismal of Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17). I think it can be clearly seen that the three Persons have a simultaneous existence. Now for the verses you mentioned: "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in hs own name, you will accept him." Christ coming in the Father does not mean that He uses the name "Father", rather that He comes in the authority of the Father. "Name" here is "onoma" which here figuratively means authority; "onoma" can be found in Acts 2:38 "..."Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ..." or upon the authority of Jesus Christ. "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." Same principle here as above. Now, as far as the salvific efficacy of baptism, and speaking in tongues, I guess that a topic for a different day...
God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit. examples: (For the sake of the post being too long, I will only use one scripture per example) Lord: God - Gensis 2:1, 8, 15, 18, 19, 21, 22, etc.: "The Lord God" Jesus - 1 Corinthians 8:6: "And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live". Rock: God - Deuteronomy 32:4: "He is the rock" Jesus - 1 Corinthians 10:4 : "And that rock was Christ" Saviour: God - Psalm 68:19: "Praise be the Lord, to God, our saviour" "Our God is a God who saves. Jesus - Luke 2:10: " A saviour has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord" Sheperd: God - Isaiah 40:11: "He tends his flock like a sheperd, he gathers the lambs in his arms Jesus - John 10:14: "I am the good sheperd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me" Holy Spirit: Spirit of God Ezekiel 36:27: "And I will put my spirit into you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws Romans 8:9: "If the spirit of God lives in you" Romans 8:15: "Those of you who are lead by the spirit of God" The word is God, the word became flesh. Who is flesh? Jesus Christ
Yet, now after Jesus has died for our sins, we no longer have to be baptized in order to be saved. We only need to admit that we are sinners and invite him into our lives that we may live God's will here on earth. Baptism now is a way to show your new life, to wash away your old, and rise and walk with your new faith.
God is the father, the son, and the holy spirit. I agree, but the Father is NOT the Son, and the Son is NOT the Spirit. They are one in essence, but each person is NOT the other. Again: all three persons are present AT THE SAME TIME at Jesus' baptism (Matthew 3:16-17; Luke 3:21-22), Jesus is led by the Spirit, not Himself (Matthew 4:1; Luke 4:1), Jesus was full of the Holy Spirit, not Himself (Luke 4:1) Jesus prays to the Father, and not Himself (Luke 22:42), The Spirit of God is separate from the God in Genesis 1:1-2. In these above passages, it would make little sense if all three title referred to the same person. Why would Jesus specifically pray to the Father and say "yet not my will, but yours be done," if the Father was really Him? (Luke 22:42)? Instead, there are clearly two distinct persons, and two distinct wills in this verse. Lord: God - Gensis 2:1, 8, 15, 18, 19, 21, 22, etc.: "The Lord God" Jesus - 1 Corinthians 8:6: "And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live". 1Cor 8:5-6 "For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." The LORD found in Genesis 2:8,15,18,19,21,22 is YAHWEH, and refers to the person God known to the Jews. 1Cor 8:6 is a contradistinction to pagan beliefs (see v.4 quoted above) The Genesis passages and the Corinthians passage have no direct correlation. Rock: God - Deuteronomy 32:4: "He is the rock" Jesus - 1 Corinthians 10:4 : "And that rock was Christ" The Deuteronomy passage proclaims "He is the Rock" while 1Cor 10:4 says "...for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ," which refers to story found in Exodus 17. Exodus 17:6 says, "I will stand there before you by the rock at Horeb. Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink." The Rock mentioned in Deuteronomy is defining God's immutability (which would then also apply to Jesus). The story in Exodus 17, is a moment in which God's people partake in the mercies of God through the rock. Christ in the spiritual equivalent of that rock: "That rock is Christ" from which we partake in the Father's mercies. Again, there is NO direct correlation between to the two verses you mentioned. Saviour: God - Psalm 68:19: "Praise be the Lord, to God, our saviour" "Our God is a God who saves. Jesus - Luke 2:10: " A saviour has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord" I'm not sure of your point. Sheperd: God - Isaiah 40:11: "He tends his flock like a sheperd, he gathers the lambs in his arms Jesus - John 10:14: "I am the good sheperd. I know my sheep and my sheep know me" Jesus is compared to a shepherd, as are the overseers of a church: "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. (Acts 20:28) I don't see what your getting at. These are merely comparisons. The word is God, the word became flesh. Who is flesh? Jesus Christ. The Word was also with God "in the beginning." The Word is Jesus, and Jesus was Jesus before He became flesh.
All three of them are present at the same time because they are all one. Gensis 1:1: "In the beginning God created the Heaven and earth." "The word God in this verse from the Hebrew word means, Elohim. Many have incorrectly interpreted the Hebrew word to mean, "more than one God". The word refers to the, "plurality of God". (Smith's Dictionary page 212-213) The fanciful idea that it refers to a Trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds support among scholars. It is referred to as the plurality of majest, or the sum of all powers displayed by God, or it demotes the fullness of His devine strength." 1 Timothy 3:16 says: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifested in the flesh [Jesus], justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles [Jesus], believed on in the world [God], recieved up into glory[Jesus]." "The Lord God of the old testament is the Christ of the new testament and the spirit in use today. They are all one and the same. He is not three gods, three persons in the godhead, or each one representing one third of a whole God. He is simply three manifestations of ONE GOD. 1. He is the Father in creation [Genisis 1:1] 2. He is the Son in redemption [Luke 2:11 Christ the Lord] 3. He is the Holy Ghost in the regeneration of the believer today [Joel 2:28 My spirit] Isaiah 43:11 says, "Besides me there is no savior".... Jesus Christ is our Savior. That would make them one. "The scripture declares over 300 times that there is but one God. Yet, some preachers will preach that there are three without one single verse in the Bible declaring three Gods, three persons, etc." Ephesians 4:5: "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all [as God] through all [as Jesus], and in you all [as the Holy Ghost]. " It is not an opinion or belief... "God is one" (Deuteronmony 6:4)
How do you understand what you stated above? They must be three in a different sense than they are one - One in essence and three in persons (person not meaning separate beings rather personal distinctions. Three persons that share the same essence--Godness). OK...but never used this argument. Of course, Elohim is the plural form of El. So the passages actually reads "In the beginning gods created the heavens and the Earth." But I've yet to see anyone who believes this refers to the Trinity. Where did you get this idea from? The commonly used passages is 1:26 "Let us make man in our image..." But this is beside the point. What I did point our earlier was that God, and Spirit of God are separate distinctions "...God created..." vs "...and the Spirit of God..." But while we're in Genesis, let's go to the garden of Edan. Here we see that God walked the garden. Adam and Eve would have seen Him face to face. Flash forward to Chapter 18 where Abraham receives three visitor one of which was the Lord (Yahweh). Verse one says "The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of he day." Reading further we see that Abraham talked and ate with the Lord. Now, Exodus 33:20 says "But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." John 1:18 "No one has even seen God But God the One and Only who is at the Fathers side, has made him known." and John 6:46 says "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father" In your view, The Father and Son are the same, Yet the bible states that no has seen the Father. So who did Adam, Eve, and Abraham really see? Is this an embarrassing contradiction in the Bible since Adam, Eve, and Abraham really didn't see the Lord? Or was Jesus and the passage in Exodus in error? You are correct. God is not three gods, and each person is not representing one third of a whole God. Rather God exist eternally in three personal distinctions. One in essence--the essence of Godness--three in persons. Since all share the same essence, each is not one third of God, for this would mean that each by themselves is not God. This is not polytheism, for there are not three Gods, but three personal distinctions Careful Epiphany, what has the Bible specifically to say about the Internet, or television? In regards to the Trinity, the concept is there, and the conclusion can be drawn. I agree, God is one. But your definition of the sentence is not the same as mine. So what do you take it to mean? Also, you are not answering certain questions I posed earlier. 1. Who does Jesus Pray to if Heaven is vacant? (Luke 22:42) 2. Why does Jesus refer to the Holy Spirit as a separate person? (John 16: 7) 3. Why would Jesus specifically pray to the Father and say "yet not my will, but yours be done," if the Father was really Him? (Luke 22:42)? 4. How is it that Jesus is led by the Spirit if the two are the same? (Matthew 4:1; Luke 4:1) 5. How can it be said that Jesus was filled with the Spirit if the two are the same? (Luke 4:1) 6. How is it that the Spirit of God is separate from the God in Genesis 1:1-2. These question along with the question posed this posting: 1. How do you understand the sentence "God is one"? 2. Was Jesus mistaken to claim that no man has seen the Father? Or are earlier passages such as the one stating that Abraham saw the Lord, in error?
Well Epiphany, I really want to know how you answer these questions. I consider your concept of God a very serious error, and I want to discuss this with you openly.
In regards to the God head... Its just like the atom there is a proton a neutron and an electron all are different parts but together they make up one atom...Likewise there is the father the son and the holy spirit all different parts but all one. Jesus was GOD in the FLESH
I'm saying one in essence (dealing with ontology - one being), three in persons (persons being personal destintions, not beings). However, Epiphany is saying one person, one essence; that Jesus and the Father are the same person, just differrent "manifestations" of the same person. I believe Onessness Pentecostalism makes a huge error in this regard; especially when one weighs this teaching in light of what the Bible reveals. It is, however, an easy mistake to make, as the Trinity isn't an easy concept to get, and it's often misrepresented as polytheim by Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Oneness Pentecostals, among others as well. Even the analogy of the atom doesn't do full justice the Trinity, because the proton, neutron and electron, 'make-up' the atom, that is, it wouldn't be correct to say a proton is an atom, but on the flip-side, it is correct to say "Jesus is God" I do think these analogies help though, just that any example we offer must be finite and God is infinite.
Good points Karl Hungus. I think different analogies help to bring together different aspects of the Trinity. I think the cube analogy does good to explain what is meant by "One in essense, three in persons." It points out that the cube is not six in the same sense that it is one, a concept that those who charge "Polytheism!" against the Trinity, don't seem to get.
Of course we could ask if he's a pantheistic monist or pluralist...at any rate I can't speak for Hinduism.
