'Unavoidable' Injustice.

Discussion in 'Ethics' started by Jimbee68, Apr 1, 2024.

  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    I often see social and psychological phenomenon. And I don't realize later that there is a name for that. In that fable, the fox couldn't get the grapes, so he consoled himself they were sour grapes. IOW Sour Grapes. Get it? The opposite is called "sweet lemons" (I don't what story that's from or if that's the best name, but...).

    I've also noticed the phenomenon of unavoidable injustice. One member here once brought up people thought the abuses in old mental hospitals were punitive. Actually, there's an interesting story there. Mental patients, some of them, were out of control back then. They hurt others, and themselves. And the staff thought electric shock from ECT was the only way to reign in their behavior. (Strange as it may sound, it was the seizure that followed that treated depression. The actual shock was incidental.) That was never true. If a straitjacket wasn't enough, they could have tried cold sheets. Now, they have antipsychotics, atypical antipsychotics and antidepressants to treat most of the problems associated with severe mental illnesses.

    The point is, they thought, though they were wrong, that the pain was unavoidable. Rather than open an impassioned moral debate about whether it is all right to abuse any patient or even whether they "deserved" it, they just created a situation, everyone agreed was unjust, for expedience. It was wrong but they had no choice. Bad reasoning on their part. But that is an example of what I am talking about.

    Anyone else have examples of unavoidable injustices in human history? And is there another name for it?
     
  2. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Rocker Lou Reed, from Long Island, NY received shock therapy as a youth at the behest of his parents. A lot has changed thru the years.
     
  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah, these days you're much more likely to the next experimental test subject for the pharmaceutical companies, and they're preparing for widespread experiments using brain implants. No need for using crude electric shocks, when you control their entire nervous system. Note that psychology, as in talk therapy, is becoming nonexistent. Sharing their words and playing nice are simply not in the Pentagon's vocabulary, or the banks.
     
  4. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    Actually, for those old enough to remember, mental "asylums" were rather nice places, even in the 30's, 40's, 50's. Southern one were worse. But they are poorer there, and had less funds to run them. Sometimes more money had to be spent on keeping them secure. No, mental hospitals were nice places until the introduction of modern psychiatric drugs. Except for those electric shocks, people said.
     

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