UFOs: Inteligent beings or Demons from Hell?

UFOs: Inteligent beings or Demons from Hell?


As God has angels the Devil has demons....




"Extraterrestrials always seem to distort and attack Christianity, but not other religions. Bible prophecy and theology interest UFO occupants. The UFO messages deny the authority of the Bible, deny Christ's sacrificial death for our salvation, and deny that Jesus is the only way to the Father. They appeal to human pride with salvation by works or reliance upon the divine within. Contactees are left with an anti-Biblical view of the next life."

http://www.christianity.com/CC_Content_Page/0,,PTID81829|CHID399862|CIID,00.html



...the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience.
-Ephesians 2:2





I will be gone for a few days on a fishing trip... Give me your opinion on this passage.... I'm sure they will all be positive.

 

Just hallucinations, 79% or the time.

 

This could be a big reason why alien existence would be (is) covered up, them being regarded as 'demons' by religious nuts.
So if aliens do not support Christianity they are then thought to be 'demons'? Sillyness.


"[Aliens] appeal to human pride with salvation by works or reliance upon the divine within."

You point out the speck in your brother's eye, while you ignore the plank in your own:

"The UFO messages deny the authority of the Bible, deny Christ's sacrificial death for our salvation, and deny that Jesus is the only way to the Father."

Jesus is the only way? Talk about pride...

"On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand..." -Christian hymn.


"Contactees are left with an anti-Biblical view of the next life."

Aliens are much more intelligent than we are. Think about that in relation to the view of the next life that they are leaving us.

 

Perhaps they ARE demons? Have you actually considered that? Is it a possibility at all?

If there is pride involved then the pride is Christ's - "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me."

Jesus said He was the only way. Christians are just echoing the teachings of their God. You call that pride? I would call it "standing for what you believe in."

And you know this how? How do you know they are more intelligent? I think you are drawing from the assumption that they have vastly superior technology. Maybe they are a lot less intelligent but had 100,000 years to reach the level of technology that we have put together in 6,000. Maybe they have a recorded history of hundreds of thousands of years... with an average IQ of 80.

Just for fun, consider this regarding aliens:
They can alter our perception of our surroundings.

They can appear to us in any number of guises, and shapes. Also, both are capable ofhiding in the physical sense, as well, within the layered psyche and often within the physical or quantum or interstitial body of the host.

Demons were often compared to stinging insects (Belzebuth – the fly). Many UFO percipients report interactions with UFO occupants resembling insects

They can “possess” our bodies, install one of their own entities, and use our bodies as vehicles for their own activities before returning our consciousness to our bodies.

They manipulate, or in some way force their subjects to perform acts against the subjects' wills, including forced sexual intercourse, violent crime, and suicide.

They live visible marks on the bodies (witch hunters were looking for such marks as proofs of obedience to the Devil). Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three- and four-fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.

They try to convince percipients that they are special chosen ones, and often promise rewards for cooperation and implementation of the entities' agenda. They take body fluids from our necks, spines, blood veins, joints such as knees and wrists, and other places.

They claim to represent the Light, i.e. a higher spiritual power, even though the literal translation of the name Lucifer can be “Light Bearer”.

Aliens and fairies come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."

Now, I am not saying that I agree with all of that, but it is, at least, a marginal possibility that aliens are not from outer-space, but are from a co-existing other dimension. It is also important to note that UFOs have defied the laws of physics. There are two possible explanations:

1) they are possessed of some unknown, advanced technology which follows a principle that is unknown in modern physics which allows them to break the "laws" of physics with impunity

2) they are not physical entities and are therefore not bound by any physical law

Both are unverifiable and based solely on opinions. Either one leaves you with having to accept your choice on faith.

 

what if i were to tell you i could write a report that offered all kinds of evidence that christ never existed? would you read it??? and if you did would you read it with an open mind? christianity is recycled paganism...look to the ancient egyptions, that is the farthest back source i can find for these stories


im not even going to start on the aliens cause i would be typing for quite a while...but you could call them demons if you want, some of them anyway...there is more that one race that pay us visit.

 

Snicker...wow, some people are reeaaaallllyyy retarted.

 

"They appeal to human pride with salvation by works or reliance upon the divine within"

Christianity appeals to human pride with salvation by reliance upon Jesus the one and only true savior.

Christ's pride has transpired into Christianity as a whole. That foundational pride has never been lost, in fact, it's effect has only become greater.

6,000 years?!

Tool-making has existed on earth as long as 2.5 million years. Our ancestors were certainly fashioning implements and practicing manual skills 100,000 years ago.

If it has only taken these creatures 100,000 years to develop the capability to visit other solar systems, they must be incomparably intelligent!

Aliens are more intelligent than humans, as they are able to achieve communication with us. They have broken the boundary of language with telepathic communication. Apparently, they also have smaller bodies and larger brains.

{First, some questions for you: Perhaps Christianity IS wrong? Have you actually considered that? Is it a possibility at all?}

A species that has existed long enough (much longer than humans, as you have suggested) to reach the level of technology that aliens have reached, must be quite righteous and peaceful in order to get along with each other so well (especially if they collaborate with average I.Q.'s of 80). Do you think humans will ever make it that far? The differences and problems we create amongst ourselves (a big one- religion) sure aren't making it any easier for us. (Maybe this is why aliens do not support Christianity)

In fact, I have considered aliens to be demons, when I was a Christian.
A rationally minded person may well cogitate the existence of 'demons' and then attribute this to extraterrestrial visitors, but to do all this in the name of fear, is certainly not reason enough to believe, or even come close. Personally, I will accept any alien visitors I encounter with peace and love, which I may have already done... cannot say with certainty if that was a dream or not...

 

yes they are. oh no the liens are gonna get us!

 

aliens are cool...i smoke pot with them all the time

 

It is only pride if He was wrong. He said He was God. If He was right, then it would not be pride. It would simply be a statement of fact. If He was God, then He *is* the only way. If not, then, as Paul said, Christianity is a farce and we are to be pitied among men.

Thanks for completely picking apart the analogy without attempting to understand the meaning. Fine, let's say that it took them 10 billion years to get to their current level.

Ummm... that doesn't imply more intelligence, just a different method of communication. Some insects can see UV light, but does that mean they have broken the vision barrier? No - it's just the way that they are. You assume that they have somehow developed telepathy intentionally. If it is just the way that they communicate, then it, in no way, implies greater intelligence. Note that a spiritual entity can ONLY communicate that way (as the lack of physical bodies makes speaking difficult).

And squid have the highest brain to body mass ratio of any creature on the planet, yet they still do not evidence more intelligence than other creatures on this planet (like humans).

I wrestle with that every day. I do consider it and yes, it is a possibility. In fact, I try to be more critical of Christianity than of anything else. Don't want people to think that I am *gasp* intolerant.

Careful of the idea that they 'must' be righteous and peaceful. They might be peaceful with eachother but it doesn't at all mean that they would necessarily have good intentions toward us. It would mean that they would at the least have agreements to work together without open agression toward each other, but your faith in aliens being friendly and peaceful I believe is misguided. Why? Because super-intelligent beings can still disagree on how to do things. I get the feeling that you see aliens as a unified group of individuals who have achieved some sort of monolithic understanding of the universe and have banded together in a unified racial vision (which might or might no include destruction of other races/species). That is just not consistent with social patterns that we see (not even in animals). There might be a banding together, but there is ALWAYS conflict. The larger the body of individuals, the larger and more widespread the conflict. I think you have a fantasy about what aliens are like, but the idea that they 'must' be righteous and peaceful is ludicrous.

If it means giving up my free will to the racial goal, then I hope we never make it that "far." Maybe the reason that aliens do not support Christianity is because they are demons attempting to undermine our salvation. Maybe they do not understand Christianity at all and refuse to support something that they do not understand. The experiences of peaceful contact generally put forth new age teachings and a lot of new agers are involved (sometimes unintentionally) in the occult. In fact, how many new agers have "alien" encounters in comparison to those who do not follow new age teachings? I don't know. If it was higher than normal, would it be simply coincidence? Possibly. Possibly not.

Not fear. A healthy dose of skepticism. There are many parallels between alien encounters and demonic encounters. I am not necessarily saying that they ARE demons, but it is not an idea to dismiss without careful consideration. It is good that you would accept them with peace and love (as Christ calls us to do, BTW) so long as you do not accept their ideas and teachings with the same lack of skepticism.

It is okay to be skeptical of an idea, even to be biased against it (so long as you are willing to consider it).

 

Maybe aliens are angels.... They attack christianity becasue the religion is lost.

 

Much amusement stands here!
Thank you.

To debate silliness contrived for the occasion is a truly human trait, for in ALL existence none can make more of nothing than a group of faceless humans.

 

"Most people who believe in UFOs think they are visitors from another planet. Although many sightings can be dismissed as hoaxes, hallucinations, or mistakes, not all can be ignored. Too many witnesses are credible, their reports too consistent, and the nature of effects on contactees too obvious."





What is it about Jesus Christ that drives our space brothers crazy?

If they are so intelligent and good, why have so many people been hurt by them either by physical abductions, radiation burns, mental trauma, bizarre experimentation on umwilling human subjects, ect.

Often they tell people that because of Christ's failure they have come to save the world. If that is true, they sure have a funny way of doing it.

 

What if:

Aliens were not from another planet......

They lived under the earth.....

What if: They were evolutionary survivors.....from maybe 1 ot 2 miillion years ago...

What if: The ancient Gods are these aliens from our own planet....

Earth IS going to have another ice age...these ice ages can last hundreds of thousands of years.......

One of the few places on the planet to escape ice ages is Brazil.....and lo and behold "Legends" of people under the earth and Gods abound there.....

What if: Atlantis was an advanced evolutionary culture and faced an ice age and they went and lived under ground.....(What would we do with our technology today ?)....

Why is it that all that is known of pre flood fallen angels is (including Satan...who roams the EARTH)....Is that they were bound not to disturb the new creation...and that they are a bad lot.....

What if: This is not a load of "old hogwash".................And it is true...

Then would someone like to tell me what the hell is going on here as I do not have a clue....

Thanks,

Strawpuppy

 

From the beginning there has been a struggle between good and evil. We are living in a day when the end-time prophecies are going to be fulfilled. Jesus Christ is coming back to the earth again to remove both living and the dead to be with him. The devil is a real being who also wants to take as many people with him as he can. Who we side with is up to each individual. God says most people love darkness rather than light.

For a better view on what's going to happen go to
http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon

UFOs are just a small part of this big picture.

 

Christians have been saying that Jesus is coming back 'soon' for just about 2000 years. There is inherent duality in the universe... dark and light, push and pull, yin and yang. To call one bad and the other good is to deny the necessity of them both. All of life, indeed all of the universe, is created as a balance between the two. There is creation and destruction. To build a new home sometimes you must tear down the old, to live another day you must kill to fill your belly. To draw lines is to judge, to eat from the tree of the 'knowledge of good and evil'. Eat if you will, takes sides if you must, but I think it best to leave judgement up to those who can see the big picture.

If aliens are abducting people and probing them and whatnot, what's the big deal? I guess you are not aware of how we treat our fellow creatures on this planet. We test our drugs on them, infect them with diseases, raise our food in inhumane boxes, do all manner of evil unto them and then we expect to be treated better by a race that may well be as 'superior' to us and we are to cows? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

 

But, Pop, you must remember, animals are infreior to us, so it doesn't matter if we abduct, probe or torture them!(Hint: Sarcasm)

 

POPthree13,

"Christians have been saying that Jesus is coming back 'soon' for just about 2000 years."

-You can't blame the Bible for early Christians misconceptions, for if they read the Bible closely they would have realized that many world events that the Bible talks about where still far off into the future.


"There is inherent duality in the universe... dark and light, push and pull, yin and yang. To call one bad and the other good is to deny the necessity of them both. All of life, indeed all of the universe, is created as a balance between the two. There is creation and destruction. To build a new home sometimes you must tear down the old, to live another day you must kill to fill your belly. To draw lines is to judge, to eat from the tree of the 'knowledge of good and evil'. Eat if you will, takes sides if you must, but I think it best to leave judgement up to those who can see the big picture."

-With this reasoning, somebody steals someone returns, someone murders someone saves, someone rapes someonem loves. Lets all look the other way, and let us not judge those who steal, murder and rape! Let them run free in our neighborhoods and leave the judgement up to those who see the big picture. I think I will smoke another joint now.

"If aliens are abducting people and probing them and whatnot, what's the big deal? I guess you are not aware of how we treat our fellow creatures on this planet. We test our drugs on them, infect them with diseases, raise our food in inhumane boxes, do all manner of evil unto them and then we expect to be treated better by a race that may well be as 'superior' to us and we are to cows? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

-Well I guess if a few people are mean to animals, everyone deserves to be sexually abused and torchered by aliens. That makes a lot of sense.

 

The misconceptions of Christians, past, present and future lays as a patch across the eyes.
The teaching of Jesus are not mere rigid words; nay, I say too you that they are as a texture of cloth amongst the sewn quilt of His life. Jesus lay not in a word or a book of days past nor a grave of man.
Jesus and His life stand as a living testament of the Lord. Know Jesus with your heart and mind. Know him on this day as a friend past the trees, not words from days gone by.
Jesus hides not in houses of whorship. He is here. There.
He speaks now to your Christian heart. Why do so many not listen?

 

"Why do so many not listen?"

Because the world is evil and people spend to much time watching MTV-learning nothing and pretending that they are versed in the Bible.