Tyranny: The greater evil behind the liberals...

You'll see my hatred for liberalism in a lot of the articles and various other things I post, but 'liberalism' (in the way I define it: socialist leftism), is really the symptom of a bigger problem, and a bigger enemy.

Supporters of Socialism are like naive activists--it's all about ideals to make humanity live in harmony with no one holding the low end of the stick. All those hippies, worshipers of of the murderer Che Guevara, brainwashed Obama Kool-aid drinkers, etc.; through their philosophically immature views on how the world should be, they open the gates for mankind's most terrible enemy:

Tyranny.

The antithesis to individual freedom (and radical capitalists, objectivists, and 'godless conservatives' like me) is the tyrant. The tyrant comes in many forms and different flavors, be it collective or fascist, but it all boils down to the same thing.

Power, through the threat of force, to violate the freedoms of the individual.

When I rail and fight against liberals, it's more to wake up the brainwashed sheep who just parrot the feel-good stuff they hear from the tyrants in power, than it is a battle against the liberals themselves. I've heard it said that this out-of-control government, to reach its desired level of power and conquer the people of this nation, is focused on dividing us and encouraging us to fight among ourselves. This is true.

Conservatives are guilty of not seeing the ploy of the larger enemy, and focusing their resistance and resources on liberals.

Liberals are guilty of being thoughtless tools with undeveloped, immature perspectives, who fight the conservatives with their silly bullshit and blindingly follow their powerful masters who control them with guilt to accomplish their sinister aims.

Liberals, themselves, are not really the enemy. They're a symptom of a bigger disease. The followers, anyway. The masses (no brain, but a million mouths) are mostly harmless, except for when their masters rile them up to do (vote on) their bidding. As individuals, liberals will either 'grow out' of their views the more they face reality, or become total douche-bags who blather about liberal bullshit and aren't really taken seriously by normal people.

The liberals in power, however--they are the real enemy. And not only the liberals. Many republicans and conservatives would cheerfully see this country turned into a police state. Bush proved to be an enemy to freedom with his 'war on terror' that allowed American citizens to be spied on without consent. Obama is an enemy to freedom because he's an idealistic collectivist, and he's doing as much as he can to make America a socialist nation.

It's been said that, under a Republican administration, America is creeping toward tyranny, and under a Democratic administration, it's GALLOPING. The true enemy is a rampant government, left unchecked with too much power over its people.

I've seen it said that conservative talk-show hosts (Hannity, Rush--I don't know about Glenn Beck) are boot-licking authority lovers. I love a lot of what they say to America, but I think that may be true. They unfailingly support the Republicans, even when Republicans try and steer the country to their own brand of tyranny.

And liberals are just retarded. I can't ever take them seriously. Anyone with an ounce of brains who studies the world to better understand reality, knows that collectivism (ANY form of socialism, no matter how slight) is counter-productive to the progress and betterment of mankind (on a large or individual level). Collectivism has always failed where-ever it has been tried, because it is fundamentally flawed and can never work. Where-ever (or if-ever) it succeeds, the result will not be idealized socialism, but instead, a society controlled by the corrupted elite in power. Which is not their ideal.

The problem is the corrupted elite in power. We should have never let the government get big enough to the point where it no longer feared the people. We'd better not let it get any worse.

Conservatives out there: you've got to realize where the real threat is. Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, Reid, all the other liberals in power ... Yes, you know how they're a problem and you're fighting it in whatever way you can (if you are), and that's a good thing. Did you know that Obama, since he realized he couldn't just 'take' away peoples' guns without sparking a serious conflict, is working on a way to let the United Nations have some legal power here in the US that would circumnavigate the Constitution and allow them to extradite people that refuse to obey their gun laws?

But, before you're so quick to follow and defend the Republicans, ask yourself if this law or that law or whatever they're doing is for or against your individual freedom? Consider no fear. No compromise. Does it violate your individual constitutional freedom or not? If so, then they are your enemy and not to be trusted.

And liberals: just grow the fuck up. Read some Ayn Rand (one of the best-ever insights into Capitalism and philosophy). Study some history. Expand your mind, and pull your head out of the trees and the rosy emissions of your hybrid cars. Can you really have any respect for yourself if you rely on the efforts of anyone other than yourself? Respect reality, and get to know the nature of mankind--not what 'would be nice'. And grow a damned back-bone. Stop being so offended, and stop trying to be politically correct.

The only and best political system that will ever allow mankind thrive and be happy is Capitalism. Unrestricted Capitalism. That's why America came out on top and has been the best ever since this nation was born. Because enjoying our individual freedoms and being free to follow our own paths is the only way to truly live, and the only way we can reach our real individual potential.

Reality and logic will always point you in this way. The right way is always clear when you are honest with yourself. All you have to do is look, and allow yourself to see.

We are a country that stands alone. But, someone who enjoys real freedom will always have the wolves at their door trying to take it away.

And the wolves are all around us. The federal government is at the point now where it pretty-much does what it wants--and doesn't even care to hide it anymore. The pathetic thing is, though, what do we do about it? Watch? Talk? Pretend it isn't happening and play with our cell phones?

I fight liberalism because I believe collectivism is evil and sucks the life out of man. But the tyrant is the greater enemy, and the corrupt will sit on the top of the socialist pile of bodies and damn us all.

 

*coughs*

Well, that's awfully ego-centric and elitist. Good for you and your views on Hippies. I doubt you will enjoy your stay here, but hopefully you stick around long enough to think hard enough about this place and what goes on here.

EDIT: Just an FYI Eddie, if you wish to post here you have to be ready for discussion. This Forum isn't like a Blog where you can pound out your singular voice and expect it to take like scripture. Although you may think that the most important thing is to make your views and message be heard here, the point of the Politics Forum is for deliberation and social interactions through an electronic medium.

Soap box speeches are tolerated, but if made repeatedly, they will not be welcome.

 

Thanks for that. Don't worry--I'm watching. I participated in the last discussion where applicable.

Of course, I won't pound my head against a closed mind, either...

 

Very long opening post I did not read it.Just a quick remark both 'extremes' are equally bad whether it's to far to the left or right.

 

It seems you are very reactive.


Its not so good to rail against something...

 

Too bad you didn't read it.

 

ooghost1oo

LOL

You’re telling people to ‘grow up’ and you think the juvenal scribblings of Ayn Rand are insightful?

Sorry but at that I just started laughing. Basically she’s a sci-fi writer with ideas that have holes in them that a truck could be driven through, she is to philosophy and politics what L.Ron Hubbard is to religion a rather silly but malign influences that is only successful amongst the ill-informed and unquestioning.

Try reading Ayn Rand Contra Human Nature by Greg Nyquist

Rather than being a realistic view of the world Rand’s was a fantasists vision.

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Unrestricted Capitalism

The same old ‘free market’ crap that can only ever end in a plutocratic oligarch.

Try reading

Free market = plutocratic tyranny.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=353336&f=36

and its sister piece

Kicking global wealth out of the driving seat.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=353922&f=36

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Anyway this piece is heavy on assertions but extremely low (to the point of non-existence) on actual anything that would backs up such assertions.

Could you please put forward the specific charges you are claiming against left wing ideas and back them up?

 

My main beef with unrestricted capitalism is that it values all life, relationships, people, ideas, and the environment as resources and commodities to be bought, sold, traded, and exploited. I really don't see how a system like that can be sustainanble, let alone "allow mankind to thrive and be happy."

 

We have managed to survive like that since the first crusade...probably before?
What do you think the other reason was for the crusades?

 

A-a-a-r-r-g-h!

Long winded meticulous labeling of humans. It's all too black and white. Makes no sense when compared with reality... But it sure makes a great excuse to hate.

 

Dunno, what do you suggest?

 

It's never good to hate something, because you become what you hate. I think any of the ism's have the potential to be dangerous, though I would agree that liberalism, as it is defined today, falls near the top. However, when you take sides you are falling into the trap. One side could never exist without the other, opposing side -- it's the dialectic. Both left and right are artificial creations designed to control and keep people's thinking limited within a narrow space. The extreme left and the extreme right are both bad.

 

Rat

But since you are of the extreme right you must see yourself as a bad influence, wow so how do you live with yourself?

Come on man you have taken a side, you’re a right wing libertarian (libertarianism oh look it has an ‘ism on the end).

As to hating, you spread unsubstantiated rumours (lies) about all left wing ideas being the invention of and under the control of evil Lucifer worshipers, who you have shrilly proclaimed are trying to install a global tyranny so they can kill off most of the world’s population?

If that isn’t an incitement to hate I really don’t know what is. I mean it’s very similar to the fear and hate mongering of white supremacist that claim ‘niggers’ are brutal, bestial, sub-humans who are plotting to rape white women to taint the pure white race, or the Nazis who claimed that a conspiracy of Jews and Bolshevists were the reason for all the woes of the German people.

Ghost seems to really dislike lefty ideas (as you do) but I think that’s because he’s never actually had to see if his own ideas stand up to scrutiny in relation to them.

For example when you first came here you were openly a right wing libertarian, but then you discovered that you couldn’t defend those ideas.

That was the crucial moment, you could have realised you’re political ideas were lacking and dropped them in favour of ideas that could stand up to scrutiny or instead fall back into ridged ideological dogma, irrational ideas and hatred of those that had shown how lacking you political ideas were.

 

Wow.... I thought this site was supposed to be an open minded sight. You are asking so called "liberals" to "grow the fuck up." But you yourself are not doing what you are asking people who would be called "liberals'' to do. If you call people ''retarted" because of their poltical and social phlisophy they are not going to respond very well to you and they are not going to respect your opinion. As far as the Obama adminstration is concerned can you give me of how they are moving us closer to socailism? If it is so I have not seen any edvince to back it up. If you can provide me with some evidence that backs up what you are saying and speak to me like I am a valueable human being with vaild points and views then I will be able to take you seriously and I think the same thing applys to most others on this site. You will not last long here if you don't learn to talk to others with respect. It is the lack of respect and the lack of willingness for both sides to see the other sides point of view not the fact that one side or the other is wrong that is the cause of the war between the liberals and the conservatives. And as far as socialism never working, I can think of three countries where it seems to work quite well. Norway, Sweden, and The Netherlands. I would suggest researching those countries, their laws, and how things work over there. And remember no system is perfect, and that my friend is the real reality.

 

Ghost

Since you haven’t replied yet I thought I’d go over your post and try to clear away the detritus and see if I could get at the numb of your anti-leftism argument.

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You seem at one point to say it is because they seem to want to have humanity live in harmony – are you saying you think that is a bad think, something that isn’t a worthy goal?

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You also say – “with no one holding the low end of the stick”

Do you mean economically? My own view is that people shouldn’t be exploited or put it danger, what do you think?

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You claim that ‘leftism’ leads to ‘tyranny’ but you don’t seem to say why or how, or who? Without any rational reasons for this statement it comes across as scaremongering rather than a real argument?

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You talk of some power that is “dividing us and encouraging us to fight among ourselves” but what do you see as fighting? Aren’t you in your post fighting ‘leftism’? Are you saying I shouldn’t ‘fight’ back, because that would be divisive behaviour?

To me the idea that every individual should have the same political viewpoint or that people shouldn’t ‘fight’ what they see as politically wrong out of some believe in ‘unity’ seems rather abhorrent (and smacking of totalitarianism).

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You say that people are “blindingly follow their powerful masters who control them with guilt to accomplish their sinister aims”

This seems like a gross generalisation, how do you know that they are ‘blindly following’?

Maybe they could defend their viewpoint, I’ve been amazed at the number of right wingers I’ve meet here that simply couldn’t defend their outlook, but who’ve continued to accuse others of being sheep.

I mean if someone can’t defend their ideas but continues to hold them, they are falling back on blind faith not enlightened reason.

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WHAT SINISTER AIMS? Are you suggesting that all left wingers have a sinister aim? You talk of masters and followers what are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy?

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Because when you say things like –

“working on a way to let the United Nations have some legal power here in the US that would circumnavigate the Constitution”

It really does come across as a conspiracy theory and I’d inform you that this is the politics forum not the conspiracy forum.

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“Reality and logic will always point you in this way. The right way is always clear when you are honest with yourself. All you have to do is look, and allow yourself to see.”

Fine. Let’s see if you’re willing to debate your ideas openly and honestly?

 

One of the most right things having been said here so far.:cheers2:

 

ever since 1969-1970, when richard nixon threw out the britten woods agreement, we have been going down the road to ruin.
now, we have just repeated most of the same mistakes that lead to the great depression and world war 2.
now we are in the worst depression since the 1930's, are we going to be stupid enough to let this also lead to world war 3?
at this time, the trends point aganist ww3 comming about, and i pray that it stays that way too! i think, i can safetly say, no one here want to see another world war!

how many more times are we going to be dumb enough to keep going back to the so called "free market" model before we learn our lession that it don't fly people?
it is when we keep doing stupid things over and over, and never, ever learn from them, that i lose faith for most of the human race... not for some of humanity, just most of it.

well, are we going to be dumb enough to try russian style communism again too?

 

Just because we've made it this far does not automatically mean this culture will survive the next 100 years with the same system.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

 

Balbus,

Unlike you, I am a free-thinking individual and feel no need to impose labels upon myself. You, being a collectivist and apparently devoid of any individuality, feel it important, not only to label yourself, but also others you do not even know. That's one thing that separates myself from you.

And I, as have stated numerous times before, am nothing close to a libertarian. You are the one calling me that, I am not calling myself that. Libertarians believe in the money system and that the free market is the only route to salvation. I don't. I am neither a proponent of capitalism or socialism/communism, all of which are controlled by the same banking institutions. Surely, though, anyone can see that things are headed AWAY from capitalism and in the direction of unabashed socialism. Obviously the elite are not big fans of the non-existent, free market capitalist system, and are now working to exchange one form of control for an even greater form of control.

Now you can LIE all you want and claim that I lie and spread rumors about the left, coupling it with stuff I have never said about "Lucifer worshippers," but it doesn't mean anyone with half a brain is going to believe you when you have been discredited in the eyes of, at the very least, half the people that post here, because of your childish antics.

Grow up! Seriously, what kind of man (and I use the world "man" loosely) that's in his late 40's acts the way you do? You act like a fucking middle schooler!

Also, to compare someone's hatred of lefist ideology with hatred against blacks or Jews does not quite hold water. There is a difference between hating a belief/ideology/religion, and hating someone because of their ethnicity or genetic makeup. Surely the left know a lot about hating people that do not think like they do. Then again, so does the right.

The controllers control both the left and the right. Both are part and parcel to the dialectic. So for anyone to subscribe to either side is to show that they don't really understand the nature of the system they're living under. The totalitarian, radical right only fuels the fire of the totalitarian, radical left, so why would I support one side when that side could never exist withut the other?

If you want to classify me and my views as "right wing," then by all means go right ahead. Just don't expect me to impose such limiting labels upon myself. Surely you can take ANYONE'S beliefs and say they are right wing or left wing. It doesn't mean that person subscribes to any rigid, artificially created ideology.

 

Hey, at least he stopped using the abnormal font size and excessive paragraphing.