So the other day I was involved in an online discussion about cannabis decrim. Those of us in favor of decrim were presenting logical opinions backed up by actual data. Those against decrim were relying on personal attacks, which is no surprise because there isn't much data that says prohibition is a good idea. So that experience got me all fired up and I was ready to search the web for forums where people held ignorant views about cannabis and I wanted to try to change their minds. Only problem is whenever I search for forums featuring drug discussions there is always an overwhelming majority in favor of decriminalizing. Why then is it still illegal? Almost everyone I talk to in person also believes that it should not be illegal. What is going on here? Do any of you on this forum have similar experiences? What can we do to bridge the gap between what people think privately and what they endorse publicly?
you sound like a fundamentalist christian here is a good thread with posts relating to your topic http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=316050
What does being adamant about an issue that effects millions of people all over the world have to do with being a fundamentalist or a christian? What does using logic and reason to attempt to inform people so that they can make good decisions have to do with being a fundamentalist or a christian. I did not enter into the cannabis debate with my mind made up. I have been following debates about cannabis for over a decade and have come to believe through a series of critical analysis that cannabis prohibition is ruining people's lives, and I desire to end the suffering of the casualties of the drug war through intelligent debates with open minded people. So again drew5147 what does any of that have to do with fundamentalism or christianity?
I was merely making the point that you cant change the way people think about an issue. You cant make someone change their mind. most of the time, it isnt even worth trying
I didn't say anything about 'making' people change their minds. I said I wanted to try to change people's opinions through intelligent discussion. Furthermore when the issue at hand involves the suffering of millions it is certainly worth trying.
the only loser in this thread is the pothead that doesn't know how to spell lose, or how to construct a sentence with a clause. But props on theyre(what an accomplishment).....you didn't spell it right but you didn't spell it there or their.
Not hard to see the liars. Nothing is ever defined. All generalities and red herrings to avoid the topic. They're anti-American traitors. Selling out Americans for International corporatists. Hiring these propagandists to troll and intimidate. Lost causes seem to be their forte'. They sell chemicals. Drugs or Pesticides. Hate for Americans, who needs Al Qaeda? Big bucks is the bottom line. 50,000 fossil fool products with no competition under prohibition. Plus the added bonus of law enforcement and caging. We are the jailingest motherf*ckers on the planet. 2.2 mil x $35,000/yr. = $77,000,000,000 earned income 15,400,000,000 = taxes back. CrazyCalvinaFay Bivings Group Bivings work, premised on the power of the Internet, engages in covert online attacks and web based front groups. Big Lies by Joe Conason Osborn & Barr Communications The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth Osborn & Barr was formed in 1988. The company's slogan is, "We create belief." - Friday, January 15, 1999 COPsAgainstGanjawar I think the government knows more than anybody. At least I hope so, because I don't have nuclear arms, but I do have Ganja and Hemp information. Either the government is comprised of the most stupid people on earth, not having this information, but having nuclear arms. Or they do know. Welcome to Fascism. Authoritarians Authoritarians Wrecking Crew Anti-Drug Campaigns Dumb Down Vital Message Saying No To DARE Mothers Against Teen Violence Dare has stranglehold on Drug education! Kathmandu and the Black Prince Kill the Messenger Cover-Ups, Prevarications, Subversions & Sabotage Demonizing Drugs CrazyCalvinaFay WomansWackyVengeanceUnion Cannabis extract made by Parke, Davis & Co. circa 1910
If you've carried out extensive research on cannabis, the government and the operation of certain industries and given it all piece of mind, you should be able to come to some sort of a solid conclusion yourself. I love a good chong (so I hope I'm not viewed as a hypocrite) but it has to be said that in my opinion, there is no potential for it in a fully functional society - which is the word of the World in times of today. Pot smokers will forever be outnumbered by narrow minded individuals who are happy with the samey routine ways of life they live... taking much for granted and giving little thought to issues which are more complex than what they think of as every day normality. Pot makes people less likely to prioritise and take into account the seriousness of situations. Pot undoubtedly affects a person's judgemental skills. Pot is a relaxant - and what good is someone who loves nothing more than to 'chill-out' in the World of work? Being high (or stoned) is an enjoyable experience that the user may want to repeat, and as the amount of self titled 'pot heads' show - there are some willing to constantly avoid issues in the 'real-life' (a society driven) World. Pot is known to induce apathy.. and a society that doesn't care is dead to the World in the eyes of any government. Pot can break societies apart and even give smokers an insight to the corrupt and incompetent government.. then again you only need to watch an hour's worth of BBC Parliament to see that. Seriously, think of the world we unfortunately live in before trying to convince people pot is wonderful. Of course, those of us that smoke it are perfectly familiar with it's spiritual power and sedative qualities.. but a hell of a lot of others will not see past the stereotype and media hype. You'd only be wasting your own time. Ultimately, if people want to smoke it then they'll smoke it... and if they dont.. well, a few words from a guest user on a forum is hardly going to produce change.
Drug Warriors Still Ignore Powerful Pot Science By Rob Kampia CN Source: AlterNet September 08, 2008 Washington, D.C Twenty years ago, on Sept. 6, 1988, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's chief administrative law judge issued a landmark ruling, but don't expect any celebrations or commemorations in Washington, D.C. Our government has ignored this historic decision since the day it was issued, inflicting needless misery on millions. Indeed, most Americans don't know it ever happened. In response to a petition asking that marijuana be moved from Schedule I of the federal Controlled Substances Act, which bars medical use, to a lower schedule that would permit physician prescriptions, Judge Francis Young held extensive hearings that began in the summer of 1986. He heard from an impressive array of expert witnesses, resulting in thousands of pages of documentation. Young laid out his findings in a detailed, 69-page ruling, walking readers through the scientific evidence. He concluded that the law didn't just permit moving marijuana to Schedule II, but required it. "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," he wrote. "By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care. ... The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record." Remember, this was no pot-addled "legalizer" writing. It was the chief administrative law judge within the top federal agency responsible for enforcing our drug laws. Unfortunately, the ruling had no legal force. In legal terms, it was a recommendation, not an order that had to be followed. And the DEA chose not to follow it. Six years after top DEA officials rejected Young's recommendation, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. circuit ruled that the agency did have the right to ignore its own administrative law judge. Because the federal government chose to disregard the results of its own investigation, the medical marijuana controversy continues to rage today. Losing patience with the feds, 12 states have acted to permit medical use of marijuana under their state laws. If Michigan passes the medical marijuana initiative on its November ballot, that number will increase to 13, comprising roughly 1 in 4 Americans. But while those state laws provide considerable protection for medical marijuana patients, states cannot provide an exemption from federal law. Even in the 12 states that have medical marijuana laws, patients and caregivers have been arrested, terrorized and even had their children taken away. Meanwhile, the medical evidence continues to mount. Another federally commissioned study, this time by the Institute of Medicine, confirmed in 1999 that marijuana has legitimate medical uses. More recently, newly published clinical trials have found that marijuana effectively relieves certain types of hard-to-treat pain, including the nerve pain that often accompanies multiple sclerosis, HIV/AIDS and other diseases. Other research suggests that by relieving the nausea and vomiting often caused by the harsh drugs used to treat hepatitis C and HIV, medical marijuana can help patients stick to these challenging drug regimens -- and live. Because our government has ignored science, needless suffering has been inflicted on millions of Americans who have benefited or could benefit from medical marijuana. In 2009, we will have a new president and a new Congress, and they should move quickly to end this sorry record of federal stonewalling. Complete Title: Lunatic Drug Warriors Still Ignore Powerful Pot Science Rob Kampia is executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project. - http://www.mpp.org/ Censorship keeps people from Ganja and Hemp
Are you just copying and pasting bits and bobs from other websites? That's the second post from you in this thread that looks like it's been cloned from somewhere else.
The info comes from all over the net, books, and where ever, the arrangement pertains to the topic, no, this isn't the only stop on the ride... This post tells the tale of government corruption and the media censoring Ganja info, with paid sabatours leaving one liner diversions doubts and just nonsense to mainly chase off potential readers. DEAth lies and their agenda has no room for free speech. The last article explains it. But... I post in three formats, bb code forums may have similar info unless it's answering a direct question. It's info, take it of leave it... Victor proceeded to roll the biggest bomber anybody ever saw. He rolled (using brown bag paper) what amounted to a tremendous Corona cigar of tea. It was huge. Dean stared at it, popeyed. Victor lit it and casually passed it around. To drag on this thing was like leaning over a chimney and inhaling. It blew into your throat in one great blast of heat. We held our breaths and all let out simultaneously. Instantly, we were all high. -- Jack Keruoac, "On the Road," 1950
All I see when I scroll through other posts made by yourself is a plethora of information which is organised in whichever way in relation to a thread - which is all good, and relevant; and don't be taking things the wrong way here man but all I'm saying is rarely do I see you speak for yourself. Not an issue - maybe a link off followed by discussion would be more logical; especially your viewpoint on what you've just posted with a bit of background as towards why - but, alas - carry on friend. Peas. :sifone:
