Discussion in 'Politics' started by ZenKarma, Dec 18, 2019.

  1. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    I am trying Not to see my politicians, our politicians, through a lens of Marvel superheros or villans.

    The depreciation of our values and institutions;.... well that could be another thread. These people get only a limited time in office, so far, thankfully things have balanced out.
    The big question is: will the alternative candidate be a better leader? a subjective question.
  2. Orison

    Orison my dog is full of stars Lifetime Supporter

    Booty judge..

    No Sanders.. dude will die in office.

    Ca' mon man..
  3. Orison

    Orison my dog is full of stars Lifetime Supporter

    Crap thought this was 2020.. yinz got so much this shit hard to tell..
  4. Haha! Gotta love it when people take opinion polls seriously! Meanwhile the election is in november
  5. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

    This is the 2004 election all over again. The media put Lieberman (compared to Biden) in the front of the race, who fell flat on his face early on to an unexciting milquetoast Kerry (comparable time Buttgeek)
  6. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    And we ended up with G.W. Whoop de doo! Two wars continued, torture and a major recession!
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  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    A lawless President who is determined to pack the courts with right wing judges can do a lot of damage in two terms. I don't think it's an entirely subjective question. We can draw on experience and judgment to make rational decisions about actions and their consequences.

    Yes, that's usually the question.
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  8. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    No superheroes in sight, but there are real villains, one occupying the Oval Office. And although he lacks superpowers, he has lots of real power to do lots of real damage! We naturally resist thinking in those terms, but sometimes it's true. Other countries have found out the hard way.
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  9. Crazy times....but fast forward to 2020

    What difference did it all make?

    You won't catch me defending G.W, the guy actually was a moron
  10. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Well there was certainly a body count from the wars. And lots of people suffered economic loss during the recession. And torture was corrosive to our values--albeit nothing like the broader assault on those (the rule of law, congressional oversight, common decency, etc.) we're currently experiencing under Trump.
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  11. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear voice of sexy

    well at least you admit it.

    not necessarily the exact same list, but any current establishment politician has a comparable rap sheet to their name.
  12. So, torturing Iraqis wasn't as corrosive to (by our, I assume you mean America's) values as the lack of common decency you are currently experiencing under Trump?

    That is what you just said

    You don't think that's a tad overly dramatic?
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  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member Super Moderator

    I admit what? That I don't support politicians who lie, cheat, steal, buddy up to dictators and war criminals, grab women's pussys, insult war heroes, disparage the free press, have secret meetings with Putin, on and on.....?
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  14. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    I think he works for Trump … full time.
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  15. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    Iraqis were tortured during a Republican Bush Administration, by US Troops under orders and protection of Republican Donald Rumsfeld.
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  16. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    Don't forget Trump is still INDIVIDUAL 1 in a New York case where Michael Cohen went to prison.
  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    He works for Trump … full time.
  18. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    I didn't think people cultivated Mushrooms in Washington until May?
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  19. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

    Is that the best you can come up with there Hot Dog?
  20. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

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