Trotskyism

polecat · May 4, 2009

Discuss.

Personally, I feel it is the only legitimate form of Marxism.

Pressed_Rat · May 4, 2009

polecat said:

Discuss.

Personally, I feel it is the only legitimate form of Marxism.
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The neocons might agree with you.

The founder of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol, once defined himself and his movement as "neo-Trotskyite."

“I regard myself to have been a young Trotskyite and I have not a single bitter memory.”

Trotsky, Strauss and the Neocons: War Party's leftist and elitist roots exposed (Antiwar.com, 6/13/03)

Trotsky's Ghost in the White House (The New American, 7/14/03)

From 'The Age of Neocons':

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2102/stories/20040130000506400.htm

In the foreign policy field, concepts like detente, containment and negotiation make little sense to the neocons who are more interested in an outright war against all their enemies. In this sense, the neocons draw much from an unlikely source, someone who influenced many of them in their youth: Leon Trotsky. Many prominent acolytes of Trotsky within the U.S. took to the path of conservatism, most dramatically, James Burnham, who wrote the 1964 anti-liberal screed `Suicide of the West' and then won the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Ronald Reagan. Irving Kristol began his political life at the City University of New York in the 1930s as a follower of Trotsky, whose own critique of the USSR allowed Kristol to abandon an early flirtation with Marxism.

From Trotsky, Kristol drew one important lesson: the idea of "permanent revolution" and the "export of Communism" without any concession made to other political ideologies, such as nationalism (or "socialism in one country"). If Trotsky wrote of "exporting Communism", Kristol's junior Joshua Muravchik wrote, in 1991, of "exporting democracy", where "democracy in one country" is insufficient, since it has to be exported around the world if it is to be sustained.
In 1983, Irving Kristol wrote, "Patriotism springs from love of the nation's past; nationalism arises out of the hope for the nation's future.

Neoconservatives believe that the goals of American foreign policy must go beyond a narrow, too literal definition of `national security'. It is the national interest of a world power, as this is defined by a sense of national destiny, not a myopic national security." If Trotsky wanted to export Communism around the planet, Kristol wants to export American Democracy.
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So now why do you find it to be "legitimate"?

More info on Trotsky and his rise to power:

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_02.htm

You will have a revolution, a terrible revolution. What course it takes will depend much on what Mr. Rockefeller tells Mr. Hague to do. Mr. Rockefeller is a symbol of the American ruling class and Mr. Hague is a symbol of its political tools.
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--Leon Trotsky, in The New York Times, December 13, 1938. (Hague was a New Jersey politician)

Leon Trotsky as a Wall Street Puppet

Excerpted from the book, "Rape of The Constitution; Death of Freedom" by Gyeorgos C. Hatonn

The Involvement of the Rockefellers

The Rockefeller Oil Monopoly is now 127 years old, yet in 1911, the Supreme Court, bowing to public outrage, had ruled that it had to be broken up. The resulting companies proved to be no problem for the Rockefeller interests. The family retained a two per cent holding in each of the "new" companies, while the Rockefeller foundations took a three per cent holding in each company. This gave them a five per cent stock interest in each company; a one per cent holding in a corporation is usually sufficient to maintain working control.

The involvement of the Rockefellers in promoting the World Communist Revolution also developed from their business interests. There was never any commitment to the Marxist ideology; like anything else, it was there to be used. At the turn of the century, Standard Oil was competing fiercely with Royal Dutch Shell for control of the lucrative European market. Congressional testimony revealed that Rockefeller had sent large sums of money to Lenin and Trotsky to instigate the Communist Revolution in 1905. His banker, Jacob Schiff had previously financed the Japanese in their war against Russia and had sent a personal emissary, George Kennan to Russia to spend some twenty years in promoting revolutionary activity against the Czar.

When the 1905 revolution failed, Lenin was placed "in storage" in Switzerland until 1907. Trotsky was brought to the U.S., where he lived rent free on the Standard Oil property at Bayonne, New Jersey, its tank field. When the Czar abdicated, Trotsky was placed on a ship with three hundred Communist revolutionaries from the Lower East Side of New York. Rockefeller obtained a special passport for Trotsky from Woodrow Wilson and sent Lincoln Steffens with him to make sure he was returned safely to Russia. For traveling expenses, Rockefeller placed a purse containing $10,000 in Trotsky's pocket.

On April 13, 1917, when the ship stopped in Halifax, Canadian Secret Service officers immediately arrested Trotsky and interred him in Nova Scotia. The case became an international cause celebre, as leading government officials from several nations frantically demanded Trotsky's release. The Secret Service had been tipped off that Trotsky was on his way to take Russia out of the war, freeing more German armies to attack Canadian troups on the Western Front.

Prime Minister Lloyd George hurriedly cabled orders from London to the Canadian Secret Service to free Trotsky at once - they ignored him. Trotsky was finally freed by the intervention of one of Rockefeller's most faithful stooges, Canadian Minister Mackenzie King, who had long been a "labor specialist" for the Rockefellers. King personally obtained Trotsky's release and sent him on his way as the emissary of the Rockefellers, commissioned to win the Bolshevik Revolution. Thus, Dr. Armand Hammer, who loudly proclaimed his influence in Russia as the friend of Lenin, has an insignificant claim compared to the role of the Rockefellers in backing world Communism.

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polecat · May 5, 2009

sigh, this is why I hesitate to post here...

but I'll get back to you in about a week after I read that Anthony Sutton book (it's short but I have exams) and then do some checking into his sources.

and interesting stuff about the neo's being former Trotskyists. Not that it's relevent at all to what Trotskyism is, but still a fun fact.

Pressed_Rat · May 5, 2009

polecat said:

sigh, this is why I hesitate to post here...

but I'll get back to you in about a week after I read that Anthony Sutton book (it's short but I have exams) and then do some checking into his sources.

and interesting stuff about the neo's being former Trotskyists. Not that it's relevent at all to what Trotskyism is, but still a fun fact.
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Sorry.

I am just putting forward what I know about Trotsky.

The link I posted to Sutton's book is only one chapter (the chapter on Trotsky -- Chapter 2).

polecat · May 6, 2009

Not really your fault, i just read the chapter and decided I had to read the entire book. It's all online so it won't be difficult.

All I know about the $10,000 is it was said that Rockefeller was negotiating on behalf of Standard Oil and was promised control of the Russian oil fields after the revolution, but Lenin and Trotsky betrayed him, which, to me, is actually kind of ironic and somewhat humorous. Makes it sound like Rockefeller got played for the fool.

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