Transhumanism: inevitable or evil?

That will no longer be fun when we're both linked to the same supercomputer and our knowledge will transcend space and time.

Even if I'm taking a 1984 approach, I still don't see how it won't simply replace current problems with more problems, and worse, at the expense of no longer being who we are.

I find trans humanists take an overly optimistic approach. They talk about trans humanism as if it can somehow lead to a more moral society.

They've obviously never thought about what morality actually is, or more importantly, its source.

Someone's gotta be a negative ninny while these people become obsessed with ideas external to themselves.

 

Of course, because that is your purpose.

Moral issues have always become more and more complicated as we have progressed. Like I said, I don't think it will fix these issues. There will always be war and conflict.

I think im being very balanced here. I dont see it as fixing all our social issues. I only see it as the next step so we can get off this small space rock before we or something else destroys it.

Either we find a way to grow with the unlimited space around us, or population density increases on earth. If that happens, tell me how we feed everyone and cater to their ever growing water needs. and you think I'm being irrational about morals and human needs? puuhhlease, sir.

If we're all trapped here, we sufficate each other and wither away.

I'd rather live in the peace of space as a floating peice of metal as I pass by the miraculous wonders that the galaxy has to offer.

 

We don't need to become computers for that. I'm happy for us to eat chemically fertilized crops and for science to solve all of our problems just as long as they don't alter people. Especially as long as they don't alter people against their will.

Ironically, the trans humanism that is modern medicine is the original cause for overpopulation.

I don't think you are being irrational at all. I just think you're thinking way too selflessly, as a religious person would believe in God. It makes sense in a way, and its a nice thought, but is it really relevant to what we experience here and now?

 

I agree with both of you in a sense, but I also think that we've already gone too far and we better fucking finish what we started at this point. But with every new creation come new laws, so we can try to prevent certain invasions of privacy and things unfair to individuals.

I think as humans we are innately otherworldly. We are very different from other animals on this earth. So I support us going as far as our technology will take us in as responsible a way as possible, because that is all we can do - increase information, discover, create.

 

Fuck laws, we should just value our independence and freedom.

We take the law into our own hands.

 

Well yeah, you and I should.

But for all those other billions of drones...

 

I don't know.

I don't know what there is to do. I'm just glad I won't be getting micro chipped within my life time, or will I?

 

The best contraception has existed within the 20th century where most of the growth has occurred. Exponential mathematics? Yes, but only if human growth is allowed to occur exponentially (thank medicine and the green revolution for this). Hispanics...wait what about white people? USA = 3rd largest population in the world. Damn whiteys and their burger joints.

For reasons beyond ourselves.

Without Self, all of our values are paltry and indifferent. The individual should be the ultimate gauge of what is good and what is bad, in my opinion.

You are arguing as a religious person who believes in humanity as a god, but not as humans themselves as gods.

I'm arguing from a particular point of view, I admit, and I can see the logic of your own. However, I am inclined to see promises of 'greatness' an illusion that men buy into when they are unsatisfied with the promises of their immediate reality, a reality which ironically is the only one they will ever truly know.

 

Alright, I'd first like to say that I can't imagine how anyone would be in favor of non-voluntary alteration to people, i.e. installing a chip in you...that's a ridiculous strawman if I've ever heard one, people would rightly riot if it came to that. And in the same vein, I have no idea why the alteration of human capabilities would be seen as something limiting man's freedom and happiness. Right now you're doomed to inhabit your body whether you like it or not, until it succumbs to injury, disease, or slow, painful deterioration. The capability to become something else is freedom.

Anyways, I'll happily discuss ideas that "external to myself" whatever the fuck that means. I can imagine nothing that is truly internal to the self, considering that all of my thoughts are defined or at least colored by concepts made by other people or things I have sensed in the world outside my head.

 

Fluoride. Now you can imagine it. right. ?

 

Flouride consumption is voluntary

It is removable from water

 

There's a bit of a difference between putting something in the water and invasive surgery.

Of course, putting nanomachines in the water might be more likely...

 

No the point though is it. The point is you can imagine people forcing others to accept things/changes they dont want.

 

Now, not then.

 

Well of course it's human nature for people to want to force their beliefs on others. I'm saying that it's politically unthinkable to mandate body alteration.

Also, that video posted earlier is fucked up. 9/11 truther bullshit applied to transhumanist speculation, boo hoo it's all a big plot by Darwin and rich people to enslave us.

 

Lets play 'spot the contradiction'.

 

isnt it?

have proof its not or is this just your opinion??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm

someones gonna be the dimwitted slave for the elite on planet earth.. what family do you belong too??

 

That article seems to rely heavily on the fact that we will be in existance in 100,000 years

 

eugenics has always been a long term plan.. it wont take them 100,000 years to separate us, thats almost done now. then its all just a matter of technology..

 

Of course I have no proof, just as the creator of that video has none. I don't have any proof that the tooth fairy doesn't exist either.

I do have some basic pattern recognition skill though. So I can predict that any planned use for a new technology will quickly be driven off course by the wills of millions. The internet was made by the same sort of people that must surely have destroyed the WTC and are planning to transform us into a slave race and they sure never intended for stoners to dick around and talk about pointless shit with it, yet here hipforums is. Technology will be dispersed, eventually, through a free market, meaning that individual consumers are going to do whatever the hell they want with it. The sorts of tech that we're discussing here open the doors to such possibility that we can't even predict it; to believe that there's some elite backroom society PLANNING how it will turn out is just stupid and paranoid.

While it may be true that transhumanism originated from eugenics and that there were some shady people involved in that, that has little to do with the future. The idea of "taming" man and adapting a worker caste is ludicrous and ignores the whole context of transhumanistic ideas; by the time we can alter our DNA at will and form cybernetic hiveminds and what not, what would be the point of having manual laborers?

And this whole morlock business? Laughable, and only remotely possible if none of the ideas discussed here ever come to be. The point of all this is that technology will allow humans to steer their own development; why would we MAKE an inferior race? Of course there'll be some group of Amish types who will refuse it all, so they won't enjoy the genetic benefits that might come along, but there'd be no reason for them to transform into pitiful little goblins. They'd just die out eventually.