Trans women wins women's wrestling title, male fans are pissed

Funny these people will accept a 7 foot tall guy being "dead".
The Undertaker - Wikipedia

But a women who was not born a women is a step too far. I don't know it's all pretend. A women is also the "mens" champion AKA the main champion of another wrestling company. The old stereotype of conservative rural men liking this seems to be going away.

I ran across this story since one of my favorites from childhood made some rude comments. Their main complaints are

1. she's a man and I don't like that
2. it's not a realistic fight. OK but there have NEVER been weight classes in pro wrestling so it's not like MMA. Of course size matters in a fight but this is not a real fight.

Nyla Rose tackles transphobia after historic title win

Unfortunately, Rose’s victory also brought out the worst of the Internet. A number of people responded to the victory with transphobic comments, including former WWE wrestler Sean “Val Venis” Morley, who tried to connect Rose’s victory to the recent rash of state governments attempting to legislate the exclusion of young trans athletes.


The transphobic comments are the latest example of what has been an ongoing issue for Rose during her AEW tenure. AEW banned a fan for making transphobic comments during Rose’s debut at its Double or Nothing event last May and Rose has continually responded to similar derogatory opinions via social media throughout the year.


Rose showcased poise in the face of the recent hateful messages, dubbing herself “The Princess King” and poking fun at making “Val Venis relevant again.”

 

This from Vals page. He a friend of mine of FB and shot da fuck out.. He's been ranting on that for days.

Funny a guy that wrestles with half naked men is worked up over one identifying as trans..


Nyla Rose Transcends AEW - Talk Is Jericho - Omny.fm
NOW on Talk Is Jericho! Nyla Rose Transcends AEW - Nyla chronicles both her journey as a transgender woman and a wrestler in this candid conversation about overcoming obstacles along both paths. She speaks to her relationship with her family and friends, how she found comfort in her faith, what it’s been like living her truth, why she takes the words “role model” so seriously, and how she prefers to deal with internet trolls

 

I'm not "transphobic" (curious how, while society attempts to be more "inclusive", we create more and more labels...which creates more "classes" or "categories", which in turn creates divisiveness), but isn't there a point where this becomes counterproductive?

What will happen to women's sports, if it becomes dominated by trans-women? What incentive will biologic women (is that the PC term?) have to compete, against women who were born men?

 

People who demand that trans-women compete in women's leagues are actually advocating violence against women.

 

No they're not

 

I think to be fair to women that needs to be examined more. Once we get past all the personal biases and junk science let's see if trans people do have an advantage. Hormone therapy brings with the body type of that gender. So in some ways a person born a man could be equal to a female but not in all ways depending on the sport. Sport is a small percent of the trans issue. In pro wrestling nothing matters. No weight class, no real fights. In gymnastics, basketball, etc who knows

I think wrestling fans see it more as equals fighting.It's not as women can't be hit. They can survive child birth, they do they own sports. Their pain tolerance is higher than men maybe due to child birth. They are just often not in the same weight class. I guess you are joking about some sort of domestic abuse thing. No one is OK with that sort of thing.

 

the trans competition fad will fade and merge into it own substance over time..

I dont think some yinz realize the outside gender norms and trans persons are part the real world now..

 

When non sports people have sports opinions..

 

Just on this there was a trans lady who wanted to join the AFL womens competition who wasn't allowed to due to people's ignorance.
Hannah Mouncey - Wikipedia

 

"Mouncey decided to transition while in Qatar to compete in a 2016 Summer Olympics qualifying tournament,[7] and began hormone therapy in November 2015.[8] She provided news of her decision to her mother while still in Qatar, prior to informing other friends and family, and publicly identified as a woman in May 2016.[8]"

So basically like it says, she transitioned to compete in a female tournament.

That's not ignorance on anyone's part, that legitimately only says they transitioned because they wanted to compete in a female tournament.

And I say.. Get the fuck outta here dude.

Now if the column said she transitioned because that's how she felt and who she was yadda yadda yadda, different story but that's not what it says, does it? Ohhh no no nö nö Nein!

It specifically states "decided to transition while in Qatar to compete in a 2016 Summer Olympics qualifying tournament"

get the fuck outta here, dude

 

That’s just an excuse to justify the reason- that’s all that is.

 

I'm not suggesting that you're right, or that you're wrong...but allow me to make an observation.

I'm going to rearrange, and alter slightly, the wording of the quote from the article, to better state it in the way that I believe that you're reading it. Thus:
"While in Qatar, Mouncey decided to transition, in order to compete in a 2016 Summer Olympics qualifying tournament".

Now, I'll again reorder the wording of the quote, to create a different interpretation of it. Thus:
"While in Qatar to compete in a 2016 Summer Olympics qualifying tournament, Mouncey decided to transition".

In my first altered quote, it sounds as though Mouncey was in Qatar, and made the decision to transition...specifically for the purpose of competing in the qualifying tournament. That was Irminsul's interpretation...and *perhaps* it's the correct one.

However, in my second altered quote...it sounds as though Mouncey, who just coincidentally was in Qatar to compete in the qualifying tournament...made the decision to transition, which would physically occur *after* the conclusion of this qualifying tournament. Is *this* the correct interpretation?

It also states that Mouncey began hormone therapy in November of 2015. So...I'm not well-versed on the specifics of "transitioning", or hormone therapy. Would one begin hormone therapy, *before* deciding to transition?

FWIW, personally...I don't care about the timing of their decision, or their rationale. To me...it seems entirely unfair to allow individuals who were born as a male, to compete against females. I understand that part of the transitioning process causes some loss of those male physical characteristics that would create an advantage, but...how quickly does that "loss" occur? And how quickly will they be allowed to compete in the female division? Because, if the full effects of any loss of muscle mass, or whatever physical advantage is possessed by the male athlete, isn't felt for 2 years after transition (an arbitrary number, just for purposes of discussion), but the athlete is allowed to compete almost immediately upon beginning their transition...then that is unfair to the biologic females competing in that sport. If we ultimately end up allowing this...then won't we also *have* to allow athletes to use steroids, or whichever performance-enhancing drugs that they desire to use?

And, in an attempt to defuse any notion that I must be some sort of drooling, ignorant, trans-phobic, hate-filled Neanderthal...I'm not. Okay...I may experience brief episodes of drooling but, that's a separate issue, I assure you. I don't care if someone was born as a male, but identifies as a female, and wants to transition as such...that's fine with me. However...I do not believe that female athletes (who were born as females) should bear the unfair burden of having to compete against trans-women. Even if the transgender athlete has nothing but the best, most honorable intentions...it still seems to me to create an unfair situation. Even more...given the great lengths that many professional athletes are willing to go to, currently...I can only imagine that there would be some male athletes, who would be willing to undergo whatever minimal procedure would be necessary to compete against females, knowing that they would have an advantage. The financial gains, and fame and popularity to be realized by an athlete who rises to the top of their respective sport...would be incentive enough for *some* athletes to make that transition. Is that something that we wish to encourage?

 

You’ve gotta give him a mulligan for that outfit especially since he dated both Carmen Electra and Madonna when they were still young and hot


Carmen Electra

 

I'm surprised more ladies don't get angry at this issue

 

turns out that both women who watch pro wrestling don't care.

 

Well, you can reword things any way you like, but when the information provided to the general public is written in a specific way then that's the information I have to go off. I don't want to hear it might meant this or it might mean that or switch a few things up for a justification. No. That's not what it says.

 

Professional wrestling isn't a sport, it's a soap opera.

 

Monday night raw wwe, USA. See if anyone mentions it..