Topic: Anti-Christians.

Well you know the bible talks about a flood that covered the whole earth. Not many people believe that, but since you know so much. Why are they finding pillar lava on top of Mount Ararat? You see pillar lava is formed when a volcanic vent is submerged below water. The funny part about it, is Mount Ararat is over 17,000 feet high. Well if that is the case, either someone carried thousands of pounds of pillar lava up there, or there really was a world wide flood. Which means that bible story probably was true. You know I work in a hospital where from time to time you see people dieing of lung cancer. The sad part about it, is even when they are in pain and wareing an oxygen bottle they still want a smoke. You know they really did not have to die that way, but that was their choice. It's the same choice people on these posts are making. Jesus stated that if someone would search for Him with all their heart and mind, they would surely find him. But it's just like that guy looking for a smoke. He really doesn't want to die, but he would do nothing to prevent it. I think for many, after the first 10,000 years in Hell, they will realize the mistake they made, but it will be to late. If these new descoveries which are validating the bible are true, you would think more people would investigate them, considering their possible eternal adress.

 

but i don't smoke...

 

The world was a VERY different place many years ago, things were changing and growing and such. It's very possible that there was a huge flood. But there's no possible way for one boat to house every single species in existance, they would have to be shipped from all different parts of the world, and at that time it would've taken MANY years because of the lack of ability and the fact that many of the places weren't discovered yet.

 

....em...no i can't say i have read the link thing...sorry








ah gangaprince i see what you mean. i know a bit better what a fundamentalists is now ..i did a bit of looking up.


but hang on a minute....god created man and woman....thus he created possibility. so if he created homosexuals how can he hate them and want them eradicated? it doesn't make sense. from where any-man stands it does look like the mindset of a bigot and a hypocrite because god loves all of creation and wants us in turn to love all of creation so we may become a better person. how can we be truely good if we hate people for a reason like being homosexual? it's like hating someone for having dark hair or pale skin and hating the sky for not being pink. it doesn't make sense or seem right or good.

 

God doesn't create homosexuals, you choose to be homosexual. Also, God doesn't hate anyone. What's with your lack of inteligence here? Pick up The Bible and actualy read it.

 

Bandit: "you choose to be homosexual."

To quote/paraphrase Bill Maher...

"Who just wakes up one day and says to themselves, 'Hm... i wonder if there's a better way to get beat up every day in high school'?"

 

Oh of course I forgot…no Christian actually reads the bible these days. Just the select few… I believe we have a word for that judgement. Anyway. I would say before you jump but clearly careful thought escapes your patient disposition. The question was being put to those who thought gays a sin. Mainly the fundamentalists. Someone mentioned the hatred of gays and how "The Bible clearly states that being gay is a sin against God(He destroyed cities for it)". When in actual fact…it doesn’t.

. The question was to those who think gays were a sin….and a lot of Christians do think they are a sin based on the bible so no it was not a lack of intelligence but a lack of understanding as to why people saw them as a sin if god loved everything. This coupled with the fact that our understanding of homosexuality is different to biblical times and much is being restudied recently on the matter of “anti-homosexuality”. I think, from what memory serves, it spoke out against sexual abuse, carnal knowledge without consent by both heterosexuals and homosexuals alike.





Leviticus 18:22 says,
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 says,
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them."

Romans 1:26-27:
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men . . ." (Revised Standard version)

2 Peter 2:4-6

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: and spared not the original world, but preserved Noe (Noah), the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. And reduced the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly.”

Jude 7 depicts the activity as "gross immorality" and going after "strange flesh." Peter wrote that Lot was "oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men," and "by what he saw and heard...felt his righteous soul tormented day after day with their lawless deeds." These people were "those who indulged the flesh in its corrupt desires and despised authority" (2 Peter 2:7-10).

In 1 COR 6:9-11,paul gives a list of those who would not receive the kingdom of god which includes, drunkards, revilers, and robbers, adulterers, sexual perverts, theimmoral, idolaters. Sexual perverts was translated from two words. Malakos and arsenokoitus[or male prostitute] was possibly meant to refer to homosexuality in males.It appears that pauls opinions of homosexuality were not very kind at all. Timothy, Jude and peter make three other references. Gods punishes heretics and non believers in jude and peter and there is condemnation of male sex slaves.It was a sin in so far that in such biblical times, such homosexual behaviours were demonstrations of abusive sexual practices believed to be associated with the aforementioned idolatry and cultism.

That’s all it basically had to say on the matter of homosexuality and even then the case for condemnation is not a strong one. And if you are of course a biblical literalist there’s nothing but prejudice in my opinion against those who are born with sexual predisposition towards their own sex. That’s hardly fair now is it.The references in the scriptures to homosexuality never mention lesbianism but merely sexual relations between two men. They object on three grounds: unnaturalness, and prostitution [the third eludes me]

 

christians follow the teachings of god and many christians believe god hated gays. i wanted to know how that was possible if he loved everything. its not lack of intelligence on my part its the belief structure of others

as to the matter of homosexuality and belief structures this was just a quick breeze over i made a while back on the matter of homosexuality. a bit generalistic but its just skimming the surface.



here's the link http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm





The most conservative view,
typically promoted by the conservative religious groups, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, etc.



"what is homosexuality?" cause?

Something that one does; a chosen lifestyle.



"cause?"



Multiple causes including: poor parenting, sexual molestation during childhood, perhaps demon possession. Addiction traps them in the lifestyle.





The most liberal view,
Typically followed by religious liberals, gays, lesbians, mental health professionals and human sexuality researchers.

"what is homosexuality?" "cause?"





Something that one is; an unchosen orientation.





"cause?"



Genetically predetermined plus some unknown environmental factor in early childhood which "turns on" the gene or genes.

But as regards the point about it being a choice…studies by NARTH have come to this conclusion in a thread entitled “the three myths about homosexuality” that :



There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions.

Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.

now realise this is only one side of the spectrum and I would invite anyone to disprove it because I feel it is as natural and predetermined at birth as heterosexuality. i also believe god created man and with that possibilities and being heterosexual or homosexual is two of these possibilities. So if anyone has any other links to research that’d be class just to even out the aspect as i've never researched it in depth as i have never really had a need to for the previous mentions.



that was my ideas behind the post i made bandit. i wanted to know how it was that god apparently hated gays and where it was directly quoted that he said that. i have read the bible and only come across the above paragraphs but do not remember god stateing it himself in the bible. so i was only asking. a little bit more decorum would probably be a bit better next time. all you had to do was ask where i was going with the statement. not accuse me of not even reading the book the christian faith follows and learns from and asking about my supposed lack of intelligence. it was hardly necessary.


[apologies for double posts but i typed too much]

 

bandit, my question on teh page before was not child like, it was very important, and a very significant issue, AND was aimed at all christians here in the forum. but as all you christians and unlike all us atheists, you love to decide not to answer questions if you dont want to eh. I beleive it was your reasoning that avoidance is giving in, bandit? I needed ot use the word hypothetically in order to fit in with your christian logic ('i know im not going to hell so i dont have to answer that')

 

That seems pretty clear to me. Homsexuality is a perversion created by man. As for anyone saying here that God hates homosexuals, I think you should read what was said again. I fully believe God is capable of hating the sin, but never the sinner. Can a person that has commited murder enter the kingdom of God? I believe so, when he accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and asks forgivnes for his sins. No, God does not hate anyone, just the sin they commit.

Do you see what you just said? Your researchers believe that homosexuality is not somethign you are born with. Then you ask anyone able to do so to disprove it....Then you go back on theinformation you posted and say that you feel people are born homosexual. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Finaly, to those so called Christians out there that you run into preaching hate. Send them here, I would love to have a word with them. People like that are frauds and give real Christians a bad name. I promise you those souls are misguided and lack the proper information. Likely they are lead by a selfish person that teaches hate. These people are not Christians. I think Phelps Group is the one that usualy comes to mind when these things come up. I have seen vidios with them holding signs that say "God hates fags". I had been there I would have put my Bible in their face and asked them to show me. I would have called the deamon for who he was and challenged him. Please don't be like so many others and make an assumption on mosty Christians. Thats no different than saying "all blacks do this..." or "all mexicans eat this....". You see where I am coming from?

Finaly, to StonerBill. No your question was not a good one. I can't think hypothetically on this subject because I for onebelieve God to be real and Jesus died for my sins. There have been to many miracles in my life to believe other wise. Here is an idea StonerBill....give up on me, because my faith is to strong for your snide comments and idiotic questions. When you have a genuine intrest in The Lord and are wanting to seek His offerings, then there are several peopel here including myself that can guide you. Until then, back off deamon.

 

If you die without Jesus as your Saviour, you will be doing a lot of smoking.

 

So then why the hell should I refrain from sinning? I'll just do whatever the fuck I want, and in the end I'll be all "Oh I accept jesus christ as my lord and savior and beg for your forgiveness. Omg I was so wrong lol I cant believe I did that. Let me into heaven " and all will be dandy.




WRONG.

Virtually every movement in the Christian faith is to save you from hell. You get baptized so you don't go to hell for original sin.

Christ was crucified to attone for all your sins.

God is all forgiving so he forgives all your sins.



But we still fucking go to hell.... God damn that jesus.... always lying. I tell ya.

 

Another uneducated person.

Wonder if people right before getting into a horrable deadly car wreck had time to ask for forgivness and invite Jesus into their lives? You don't know what today holds for you. Besides, if you are not serious about it, it won't happen.

Wrong. Only one thing keeps you out of hell, thats Jesus. As far as getting baptized, that is just a tradition now to show others your new life.

Yes, His death is the new contract and way for us to get into Heaven. However, if you deny Christ, then you will not enter The Kingdom of God. Also, God is all forgiving, but he is also the one that judges you. If you don't truely seek a relationship with Him, your life is lived then for yourslf and not Him. Again, He will only forgive you if you are truely and honestly asking for forgivnes.

You go to hell because you deny Jesus. God will never damn Jesus and Jesus has never lied.

 

I went to a catholic school my entire life and because of all the bullshit that went on I now hate the religion. I don't hate catholics in general I just hate the religion....I would tell you what I mean by bullshit but it would take so long that don't have the patience. I especially hate the whole against gay marriage thing. Cousins can get special permission to be married but gay people cannot.....THIS MAKES ME SOOO MAD........Also just incase I HATE YOU MRS. SHEA ( my grade 12 religion teacher, i sincerely hope she dies.)

 

All dogs go to heaven. But all babies go to hell. Nice.

I have serious problems with any religion that says all babies are born full of "sin." Such a religion seems to hate people rather than love them, if it assumes everyone is just a sinning bag of disgustingness, rather than bearers of the Light of lights, even at birth, the time of innocence.

 

Who said babies go to hell? Every heard of the age of accountability? What's with all of you peope compaining about things that you don't understand? Perhaps if you actualy studied The Bible and learned it's contents, and you still felt like Christianity was wrong, then you could come in here and make a decent argument. But no, most of you come in here and say some of the most uninteligent things I have ever heard.

 

was there no heaven before Jesus, just curious, never heard that adressed and you wrote that Jesus' death is a contract that allows Christians to get into heaven, that leaves millions of people heavenless who happened to live before 2,004 years ago.

 

To answere your question, I know in the Catholic Church we beleive those people can not be held responsible. (how can they be, they never knew who Christ was.) I am pretty sure they go to purgatory/heaven, either way, they aren't going to be damned to hell becasue they were born before Christ. (Everyone who is in purgatory will go to heaven, it's a purification place), but I don't know what other churches believe, its probably along those lines. I mean some people today still have never heard of Christ, and I don't think they can be held responsible either.

 

Actualy before Christ entry into Heaven required sacrafice.

 

Oh well.


See ya in heaven then, homie.

















.....From Hell.... ofcourse...