Todays Ocala Front Page :ACAMP ATTACK:

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  1. Annie_Onimous

    Annie_Onimous Member

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    TODAYS FRONT PAGE OF THE OCALA STAR BANNER:

    Man badly beaten at campsite

    Victim stable; 'Buddha' sought


    BY AUSTIN L. MILLER
    STAR-BANNER

    FORT McCOY - A 45-year-old man who suffered a severe beating remained hospitalized Saturday as sheriff's detectives continue to look for a 31-year-old man known as "Buddha."

    The beating left David Sebastian with a punctured lung, broken ribs, fractured skull, a broken jaw and right orbital socket, according to authorities. He also had vulgar words written across his face, hands and upper body.

    Sebastian told sheriff's deputies he hitched a ride from Daytona Beach on Thursday to Shanty Pond campsite to hang out with the "rainbow people" at the A Camp. A Camp, he told officials, means Alcohol Camp. "Rainbow people" are a loose-knit, wandering band of nature-loving hippies who regularly camp in the Ocala National Forest.

    Sebastian said he drank a dozen beers and smoked some marijuana, and while there, a man he knows as "Buddha" started beating him sometime between 1 and 3 a.m. on Friday morning.

    Following the attack, Sebastian woke up and stumbled to another campsite where he asked a couple to call authorities. Sebastian told deputies that his wallet, which contained $130 and Florida and North Carolina identification cards, along with his Social Security card, were missing.

    Sebastian told deputies that his attacker must have written on his face while he was unconscious.

    Sebastian was then transported to the Munroe Regional Medical Center. He is in stable condition.

    Sebastian's wife was notified about the incident. She told officials that she last saw him on Dec. 12, and he had $500.

    Detectives say "Buddha" is Owen Christopher Hart. He's 5-foot-11, 300 pounds, white, and was last seen wearing a yellow T-shirt, blue cut-off jeans shorts and boots. He has colorful tattoos with lightning bolts on both forearms. On his right shoulder, he has a tattoo that says, "A CAMP."

    Anyone with any information about Hart's whereabouts can call the Sheriff's Office at 732-9111 or Crime Stoppers at 368-STOP.


    (GATHER YOUR OWN OPINION, I HAVE MINE.)
     
  2. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    there was random violence at the arkansas national against a lost bro in the dark . and even the first time i ever visited an a-camp i got threatened with a knife by the chief for being too peaceful , but it seemed mostly ritualistic then . it's too much a fragile balance they got going on . violence is in their religion . it's in the leader/structure of the camp .
     
  3. LSDawson

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    i'm thinking about headin to ocala before langerado. i'd most likely post up in a-camp with my crew. how dangerous does a-camp get late at night? i'm against violence but i know my crew would straight wreck shit if some shriveled alcoholic "hippie" pulled a knife on us or started shit. how hard is it to drink and not get violent...?


    also, i'm very sorry about this incident. i can't believe shit like this is tolerated.

    i'm assuming a-camps motto is more along the lines of Piece now and not Peace now
     
  4. unionjack67

    unionjack67 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    A Camp is bad news and has been for a long while. Despite all the sugar coating that pro-Acampers try to spew out. Rainbows are supposed to be about love, acceptance, and peace. A Camp isn't anything about tolerance. A Camp will never be gone, but the denouncement of Ocala and talk of it no longer being a Regional of Rainbows is a pretty strong indication that people are sick of the Violence that stems from A Camp.
     
  5. hippiestead

    hippiestead Ms.Cinnamon

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    There's Union Jack, going on about a-camp, making judgement calls as always & certainly I will be called a 'sugar-coating pro-A-camper' for speaking up here but what-ever...at least I know I've always done all I can to help my A-camp brothers & sisters heal & I usually only bitch directly to A-campers when they get out of line.

    On this Ocala thing...of course rumors are flying & each view is going to see things a little different than the next person over...& while I'm not saying which stories, rumors or views are the absolute correct truth of the matter...I have heard that there is a possiblity that David may have been the first person who was acting inapproprietly, not that I think beating him was an appropriete action either...but A-camp is who they are & they do 'play' rough. David isn't some newbie who thinks A-camp is comprised of social drinkers who mind their manners.

    LSDawson, it's unlikely that a shriveled up alcoholic hippie is gonna randomly pull knives on people for no apparant reason...part of the problem with A-camp right now is that most of the old hippie Rainbow drunks have moved on to the Eternal Home & the hard-core gutter/street 'kids' are the ones who are running the show...it does get violent sometimes, but usually for something more 'being too peaceful' (not that I doubt Tikoo's experience cuz ya just never know about a-campers) Best way I can describe A-camp is kind like mellower Hell's Angels, but not much mellower...
     
  6. unionjack67

    unionjack67 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    This is a statement of complete ignorance. You know absolutely nothing about 1%'ers and what they are like.. and oh.. there is no ' in HELLS ANGELS

    Stick to bullying peace loving hippies... it's a lot safer than decaring A Camp as being simular to hard core bikers.
     
  7. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    yeah cinnamon an juju stick to bein agro with peace nicks.. WTF??

    just a observation.. this years ocalas A camp/bar is promising to be one of the most mellow yet..

    i mean seriously,little hawk is banned from the forest,an now it would appear budda will be in jail or on the run..

    this daring duo was by far responsible for much of the uncalled for violence in the last couple years. (well little hawk is timeless we all know that)

    i for one see a kinder gentler A camp this year..
     
  8. myusername

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    if you want to not get your ass kicked, just dont be dumb, and dont stay there too late. haul some wood for a few beers during the day and just go home before you get shit faced. if you get drunk and stupid it's your own damn fault, and if you're hanging out with drunk agro people and they hit you, it's still your own damn fault. A camp usualy does a pretty good job of keeping alchohol out of the gathering, exept in ocala where the whiney hippies need 2 gates cause they're scared of some drunk folks.
    peace
     
  9. WanderingturnupII

    WanderingturnupII Grouchy Old Fart

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    "The beating left David Sebastian with a punctured lung, broken ribs, fractured skull, a broken jaw and right orbital socket,"

     
  10. hippiestead

    hippiestead Ms.Cinnamon

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    LOL...timeless :lol: think I posted something about my stand off w/LH in MO in my journal here

    Oh & unionjack, too many times your posts have proven that you really don't know as much as you pretend to...your post above is only reaffirmation of this; me & JuJu need to 'stick to bullying peace loving hippies'?

    Now that's funny!
     
  11. Catfish

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    I doubt you will find too many A-campers sticking up for Buddha they know what kinda P.O.S. he is year after year he has done some stupid shit and left somebody else holding the bag just cause he has an A-Camp tattoo don't mean shit.And as far as Turnup alway's bashing Little Hawk...................Well as far as I am concerned I rather sit and have a beer with Little Hawk any day than listen to Turnup's Holier than thou B.S seem's like his only purpose is to talk shit about some old man who in my opinion does a hell of alot more good than bad now put that in your pipe and smoke it


    peace love and oreos to all :)
     
  12. King Robert

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    I would like to meet and spend some time with Little Hawk. I sure have heard a lot about him. Good and bad. Just missed him once.

    I have met quite a few A-Campers with no problems. Seem to be a good bunch to me but not being that well known if I pulled in around 1:00-3:00 am I might wait til morning to go through there.
     
  13. earthling2

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    HORRIBLE, FAMILY, THE A CAMP HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHOEVER THE VIOLENT BEHAVIOURS ARE IN FOR. THIS HAS HAPPEN IN THE OCALA, FOR IN THE PAST, AND IT'S GIVING THE FAMILY A BAD NAME, PERIOD. GET REAL! WE ARE A FAMILY AND NNED TO WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER, SHANTI-SHENA OR NOT, GET IT, SAME AS IN THE CITY. I'M SICK TO DEATH OF THIS VIOLENCE, POOR BROTHER! LINDA. I HAVE HEARD STORIES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OF THIS GATHERING, THE ELDERS NEED TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE, AND GET A GRIP ON THIS REIGONAL.
    lindasafley@hotmail.com
     
  14. galagala

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    i aggree with earthling.... my prayer for this years Ocala Regional is that we see a larger pressence from our elders around main circle. not having them there has left our "church" to become infected with really bad drugs and irresponsible behaviour. last year i found an empty bag of what i believe was coke, could've been heroin or anything else that's white but, whatever it really was.... i don't think any "white powder drugs" belong around main circle. i ever heard about family blowing lines at south gate. this junk doesn't belong in our family. it's bad enough that we find so many self-absorbed drunks not just in A-Camp but, in almost every other camp along the trail.

    please, elders, if any of you are reading this, please help us change the reputation of Ocala Gathering.

    I love my family!
    -Gypsy Joe
     
  15. hippiestead

    hippiestead Ms.Cinnamon

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    It isn't just the responsiblity of Elders to 'hold a-camp responsible' & actually it isn't Anybody's responsibility, it's Everybody's...it should be Everybody's desire to teach others how to behave kindly, Youngers & Elders. 'Course this is just my opinion...

    Also, there are folks who have been trying to help improve the vibe at Ocala regionals...& those folks could really use the help & support of others who are concerned.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    Whose job is it?

    There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody's job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realised that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.
     
  16. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    What ever happened to just duck taping someone to a tree till they mellowed out. I really can't understand why it took such force to subdue someone that was 'out of line'. Too many times it is just an excuse to do harm, or to rob someone of their chatel.

    To condon such behavior is sinking down to a level of animalistic mesures that reflect badly on the purpose of 'gathering in peace and brotherhood'. Brute Force is an attitude of uninteligent life forms unable to deal with situations that need an intelegent, reasoning factor to maitain peace in larger gatherings.

    Where is the seperation between man and beast here, has it become whoever takes 'first blood' is the leader, king of the mountain? Are we evolving into our spiritual selves, or regressing into savagery. Have the Elders become afraid to speak or take a stand. If it is becoming a problem for the majority, then it is everyones responsibility to protest such actions and attitude. I can dig, 'fuck you if you don't like it' but not fuck you till you die, if you don't like it. This is not how I want to be represented!!

    I do not want to be represented by drunken outcasts that bring nothing but violent BS to the table and contribute nothing else or just talk the talk. And that my brothers and sisters is what the people see, not the good folk doing good works, but the dirty underware of it.

    Just because you have long hair and dress the part, does not necessarly mean you are rainbow, hippie or enlightened. When traits emerge in someone that is threatening the all, should not these weeds be culled out and banished.

    Where does Rape, tourture, killing/maming, robbery, viscious attackings belong in a gathering of people that call themselves the LOVE family. A house devided will suely fall.

    To sit and have a few casual beers/drinks with a bro/sis does no harm, but when ones of a violent nature are 'in charge' and they get out of line on a regular basis due to over consumption of alcohol, things are bound to get ugly, out of control. If the 'leaders' of a camp are out of control, becoming barbarians, then the Elders need to appoint a new overseer to said camp to protect the innocent gathers that do come in peace and brotherhood and accidently step into A camp.

    I gotta big mouth and like to express my feelings, sometimes inna way that is unbecoming when I have had too much to drink(is why I don't over consume). I would hope that someone would just put me up/put me to bed/duck tape me to a tree, rather then beating me within an inch of my life for saying something stupid. And who gave them the right to take it to a level of that degree because of a difference of drunken opinion., to do near fatal, bodily harm or actuall death in some cases.. Every degenerate,bully,sociopath/skitzoid hides behind hippie guise. Not everyone that comes around is likeminded.

    That is the very thing that keeps me from bringing my family to anymore gatherings. If I feel I need to 'come packing' to protect myself from my brothers and sisters; then what is the acctual point of the gathering in the first place.

    Actions like these put our movement back 30 yrs, stalls out our purpose alltogether. What is our message again???????

    Peace and Brotherhood!!!!

    sh
     
  17. Barry208

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    The problem, those of us based in Florida have, is determaining at what point to become invoved. The incident that is being discussed took place MONTHS before the gathering has begun, in a holding camp filled with some family, and mostly less affiliated pholks looking for long term habitation.


    If there is one single overriding reason (which there really is not, there are many reasons) pholks have stepped away from focalizing Ocala, dealing with this problem from November to April is it.

    Ocala Gathering is Rainbow, Ocala holding camps during the months leading into the gathering is NOT. Rainbows are there, but it is not a focalized Rainbow Gathering.

    Cinote Family, based in Gainsville and Tallahassee, in 1993 determined to end the gathering. It went on anyway. Holding Camps was one of the big problems they faced.

    Elder can and do step up during Seed Camp, the Gathering itself and Clean up, but is it really the obligation of Florida Family to step up in November and December for a Valentines Day Gathering?

    Further, stepping into this problem reaps no reward, no appreciation (from any side), great hardships and dangers and with little or no hope of changes helping from one year helping the problem in the next. BTW, the FS has been instituting their own changes, well reported by Boomer and others across several groups with the same results we have.

    Suggestions?

    With Love,

    Barry
     
  18. King Robert

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    Very well said. [​IMG]
     
  19. rasta.patch

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    A camp is allowed and enabled by the feds to make the gathering look bad and be bad.

    The behavior (public fill-in-the-blank) at acamp is illegal, and at least the worst of it should be addressed by the law.

    The law interferes with the gathering at large under the premise that some THEORETICAL citizen will have their rights infringed because the gathering is where the purported victim MIGHT have wanted to camp. As if said unproduced citizen could not camp down the road.
    Then the law enables (at the least) acamp to infringe on the rights of THOUSANDS of PRESENT law abiding citizens (the gathering).

    Before you bash (threaten?) me let me clarify that i am not inferring that nazis should violate the privacy of every folk who wants a drink. I am only speaking of behavior that is so obviously wrong that any law enforcer should have seen trouble coming a mile away.

    I also know for a FACT that acamp traditionally exchanges 'speed' (and more) with certain 'shantisena' and 'not so high holies' for "protection". FACT.

    I'll probably get beat up for saying that in public at my next gathering.

    OK, flame away.
     
  20. luvione

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    Right On S.H.!
     

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