To live or die for Dixie!

Who has the Southern Cross flying high?

 

Why do you fly the flag of people who violated our constitution and tried to break our sacred union?

Not to mention the south is just retarded in general. You guys bitch about welfare constantly yet the southern states minus Texas always take more from the federal government then they give in, i.e. they're taking money from us rich northerners.

 

Educated in public school, no? The North violated our constitution by attempting to trump states rights. The states created the federal government, not the other way around. I know Obama has been telling everyone the federal government is the right arm of God, but the power rests with the individual states.
I fly the flag of Dixie because it symbolizes states rights versus an oppresive federal government.

 

Burn the motherfucker.

Regional stereotypes are retarded. Is everybody from the northeast a jerk?

 

I fly the flag of the USA, the Stars and Stripes. The one that represents freedom, for all.

 

You mean the so called right to own another human being? Or the right to whip said person to death if you felt like it? The Confderate Flag is a symbol of a movement that sought to overthrow a freely elected government and establish a government based on the premise that whites are superior to blacks and that slavery is the natural conditon of blacks The Conderate Gov't freely admitted to this premise!

In any other country people like Jeff Davis, Lee, etc would have been summarily excuted for High Treason!

btw: The Swastika is illegal in Germany so German Neo Nazis fly the Confederate Battle Flag instead.

You're praising the wrong flag anyway. The Stars and Bars was the Confederate Battle Flag, the Bonnie Blue Flag which consisted of a blue backgrond with a single white star was the actual National Flag of the Confederacy.

 

So saying you can't have slaves is oppressive? But owning slaves isn't? Look away Dixieland!

 

Sorry, the North wasn't violating your sacred state rights before the war, states don't have a right to secede from the union. And actually yes the federal government does have control over the states, it's implicitly said federal law overrides state law. Also the fact the constitution was created specifically to form a more powerful federal government after the disaster known as the articles of confederation. Your knowledge of history seems to be lacking.

 

That is correct. The original states voluntarily signed and ratified a constitution that includes no exit provisions.

 

Indeed. Every state either voluntarily joined the union from the beginning(or in the case of Texas and the Vermont republic were independent then joined) or were already territories of the United States federal government when they applied to have statehood.

 

The states DID, of course, have the right to enslave black people.:coffee:

 

None of you truly understand why this war was fought. Enslaving black folk had very little to do with the War of Northern Aggression. Slavery was on its way out in Europe and in America as well. Those who fought for the North were not fighting for the freedom of slaves. "If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side"— Ulysses S. Grant. Look where the underground railroad led; straight to Canada. Many Northern states had provisions that banned colored folk from living there.
This war was about states rights. Yes, states do have a right to disband something they created. To think otherwise is foolish.

 

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Yes it was. Southern states wanted the right to have slaves.

 

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No it wasn't. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

Great comeback! I will now have to change my point of view on this issue, based on your clever and insightful rebuttal, with its undeniable logic.

 

If it wasn't about the right to own slaves then what rights was it about? What other so-called rights was the federal government interfering with that the south felt justified secession?

BTW EastCoastRN, have you noticed that NotDeadYet is from North Carolina?

 

The north was fighting to protect the union, the south seceded because of slavery. The underground railroad went to Canada because southern states in a compromise with the north forced congress to pass the fugitive slave act, which meant slaves could be recaptured in the north and anyone found helping an escaped slave would be arrested. Or do you guys just conveniently just not get taught this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_slave_act

Even Confederate vice president Alexander Stephens said the main cause was slavery, as did Jefferson Davis at first. It kind of becomes a big issue when 1/3 of your population is slaves.

And no, state's don't have a right to break something they created, it would nullify the entire point of the federal government if states could hold it hostage.

But hey we can't hold you guilty for being dumb, I mean you are from the south.

 

A lot of people in the South, including Robert E. Lee, didn't like slavery but had serious questions about how to end it in a way that would not result in extreme suffering for everyone in the South, white and black. His worst fears came true. No transition plan was created, so the immediate end result was 100 years of extreme poverty for the entire region.

How does any economic system function when suddenly 1/3 of its free population is completely uneducated and has no money or home? Southern plantations could not compete in the global economy once they had to start paying their workers, so they failed. Combined with war damage and war expenses, this lead to total economic collapse. Freed slaves had almost no chance of finding a paying job.

The Lee perspective is a third position on the war that is often overlooked in modern times. Probably quite a few Southerners would have been won over if the abolitionists had supported a gradual transition plan to a free society. Compromise on slavery does not appear to have been seriously considered by either side as an alternative to war. An example of this would have been a requirement to educate the children of slaves and free them at age 18, until there were no slaves left in bondage.

The whole concept of the rule of law means that the right to leave would have to be spelled out in a legally binding document, not just exist in the minds of individuals as an obvious right.

Don't start that shit.

 

We have more than our share.