This is the Healthcare Reform that many of you hate?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6296060

Discuss.

 

I'll post what I posted in the other forum.

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That is one person's interpretation of the bill, and it's inaccurate. Most of the bill consists or legal speak and cannot really be interpreted by most people correctly, unless they are versed in those areas. They always make bills this way so the general public cannot fully understand them.

What I do know about the bill is that it WILL force people, directly or indirectly, into the government system, it WILL ration care, it WILL eliminate choice, it WILL coincide with the issuance of a national ID card, it WILL give the government direct access to your financial records, and it WILL cover ALL people, including those who are not in the country lawfully. Basically 1984 in a nutshell and then some. It will also help to further bankrupt the system, which is already bankrupt and broken.

 

I'd rather pay a little higher tax our of my pay check and be able to visit a doctor or clinic or er without worrying about my out of pocket expense or rather or not my inusrance which I pay for each month is going to be cancelled or deny my coverage. My employer doesn't pay insurance benefits. You can't find an employer since the seventies that does unless you go for a government job or you are an executive or middle management

I for one hold out hope for a national plan. Employers wouldn't have to expend that amount for overhead, they would haven't to renegotiate every year. Jobs wouldn't be dependent on health coverage.

As for killing Granny or Gramps, the three day rule and the use of morphine hastens more deaths today under the for profit system then a government system ever would.

 

Again, the health care reform bill is a lot like other bills. There were many people who defended the Patriot Act because they thought, "well, that only applies to the terrorists -- not us." They didn't fully understand the terminology and the deliberately vague wording of the bill. And, like the health care reform bill, it went unread by the majority of Congress. It's easy for the general public to have two interpretations of a bill when you're dealing with legal speak that is designed to mislead the public and understood only by lawyers. Generally, those who love Obama and trust him will interpret the bill one way. Those who are suspicious of him (and the system at large) will interpret it another way. Though I think those who are suspicious of him are the ones who are right.

 

How much more in taxes does the UK and France pay for national healthcare? Only five percent more in taxes then we do. How much out of your personal budget do you pay for private insurance?

 

What's the cost? And what does it provide? Those are the most important questions and have nothing to do with who's in office.

Why shouldn't I trust the person I elected? I'd rather he'd stood strong on a national system.

 

You don't think a government-run system would be for profit? Please! Look at all the pharmaceutical companies Obama is in the pockets of.

 

Only for four years. How many years are CEOs in charge?

 

What does that have to do with the price of beans? Look at the people who elected Bush, then were dumb enough to vote him back in for a second term (considering the elections were actually legitimate, which I highly doubt because they never are). Where is the logic in what you're saying? Are you saying the majority of a population can never be wrong, when they have been time and time again in the past?

 

Why can France and the UK provide for their citizens?

 

Huh???

 

Sure they can be wrong, but if they vote people like Cheney and Bush without corruption can't be reelected.

 

This isn't France or the UK.

Why do you think most of the elites there travel out of country for major surgeries?

The UK openly admits they ration health care.

 

A president's term is only for four years. I realize you don't vote.

 

That's pretty gullible when the corporations and bankers provide the only choices you're given in the first place. To think one side isn't corrupt and that only the other is is simply idiotic.

 

Can you provide citations that they do? Can you outline how many wealthy Bits and French come to the US for medical services? How many show me a chart? We hear this all the time but I don't see them in my waiting room. Many young Americans work there and immigrate there for those services.

I know the Sha of Iran came here for medical services but who else?

 

I didn't understand what you meant. So what's your point when the politicians all work for the corporations anyway? The idea that the people can vote change every for years is ludicrous and antithetical to the obvious truth that NOTHING ever changes in that respect.

 

So we should all stand back and not vote...what would that accomplish? In France the vote has actually accomplished rights for average citizens. Would you have us stand back and let corporations set the standards?

 

I didn't say they come to the US. Many in Canada do, though. A lot of the European elites travel to places like Switzerland for treatment. Switzerland does have a socialized health care system, but then again the country is also much smaller and there are fewer people. Switzerland probably has the best health care of all the European countries.

 

Actually not gullible at all. The only thing the corporations and the wealthy can't steal from us is our right to vote. But if like you we stop voting because of their tactics we lose. The vote is our only voice.